need help with id-ing a fork and frame
 

so i started riding fixie probably 3 months back and now im starting my first build. i just got a frame and a fork from ebay and CL respectively.

the frame from what i was told by the guy i bought it from was a ccm frame. but upon further inspection i found "bcm" on the lugs of the frame. however i did some research on here and it looks as if bcm only made lugs that were detachable? im not sure. thats all i really found out about the frame i still dont know what kind of frame it is.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/...2c7ef744_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3487/...24ca22f5_o.jpg

the fork i think i may have figured out that its a 70s marinoni...? pearl white with engraved fleur de lis on the lugs. im not absolutely sure about it though.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2630/...df21cb07_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3508/...74de6ddc_o.jpg

any help determining what kind of fork and frame these are is greatly appreciated.

What size seatpost? What threading is the bottom bracket? Also the width of the bottom bracket. Some better pics of the frame would be nice...Especially some close ups of the seat cluster and dropouts.

im not sure of the BB threading but its 115mm, drop outs are campys and the seat tube is i believe 27 or 27.2 i dont remember

The BCM stands for the Bocama lugs that the frame was built with. Obviously the fork doesn't seem to match the frame.

Obviously the frame is at least pretty decent quality, does the frame have Campagnolo drop outs?

Your not planning on spraying that fork are you?? Walk away from the paint... walk away from the paint

Some Italian frame. Several builders made frames for a lot of companies and bike shops that sold their own boutique brand. Seatpost diameter does make a difference; wrong post can slip disastrously or ruin a frame. 27.2 mm is common and indicates decent tubing like Columbus SL.

I imagine the OP has already painted the fork to match the frame. One can only hope this means he's not reaching for the dremel tool.

wat? i havent painted the fork. i was going to but i decided against it.

It just strikes me as a very unique fork is all.

yeah seriously. i showed one of my floormates last night and he was baffled. hes not one to usually show emotion but he was super excited about the fork.

Since the frame is already painted, it might be cool to try tie the frame into the fork some how...

Anyway, it looks like high quality stuff.

The fork looks like it's much newer than the frame. The pics are dark, but the frame looks devoid of fittings save for the brake cable stops. That's not the sort of thing I would have expected with Campagnolo dropouts. Does the finishing of the stays at the dropout match the style used on the fork?

Edit: Any serial number?

This is your English pedant at your service. Those two words don't go together. Something is either unique or it is not. There are no degrees of uniqueness.

This is on my Menguy frame
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2472/...33ce912a34.jpg

This is on my Marinoni track bike, pretty diffrent I'd say

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3433/...8c971ea569.jpg

What do you think it could be then? Thanks for all the replies guys.

To the guy who wanted to know if there was a serial number I can't find one.:(

That three-leaf pattern is called the Fleur de Lis which has been used on coats of arms and as a symbol of the French monarchy. It is also the symbol of Quebec, where Marinoni is. I don't know about Menguy. Is he in Quebec?

I suppose the Menguy was made in Quebec since it's where I live and where it was found. I could'nt fin any info on the builder though.

Yes, unique and very unique are the exact same thing. ;)

Also, fat chance and slim chance mean the same thing. Not just the same thing, but the exact same thing. :lol:

If I could only get people to stop using the word "loose" when they mean "lose" and to stop using "alot" when they mean "a lot" (notice the space, people), life would be so much better for me.

I cringe every time one of those new Subarus passes me. On the back, it says "partial zero emissions vehicle". Uh, excuse me, what's a partial zero? That's not even mathematically possible.

You sir,worry too much about inconsequential things.

That's my middle name.

to get back to the bike ID: seems very clearly to be a Menguy fork, but that frame is a production product from some place else.
Did the OP ever tell us what the BB threading is?
Judging by the BCM lugs, the single taper stays, the braze-on cable guides: it could be French, British (or even Austrian or Benelux), but better close-up pics and BB threading info are required.
edit: I didn't see that the seat post is "either 27 or 27.2", a final size confirmation would be nice, and I'd lean toward "British" or "Benelux" until I hear more.

im going to the local bike shop to get some measurements and other info about this frame today. ill post as soon as i get some specs.

I'm tempted to say the frame is a 1971/2 Raleigh Gran Sport, though I'd expect chromed dropouts in that case. The top tube cable stops speak Raleigh, and the '71/2 GS used the same Bocama lugs. I don't recall if it used Zeus dropouts or Campagnolo though.

Take this with a grain of salt.

-Kurt

chromed? well i painted over the original color. it was in really bad shape. iirc drops were a silverish/whitish?

Ok i just got back from the bike shop... the bottom bracket has french threads... seat tube is 26.6 and the fork has english threads

Based on the french threads and the brake cable braze-ons I'm going with Motobecane. My girlfriends Mirage has the same guides that use a plastic insert to gussy 'em up a bit. You're frame is a notch or 2 better with the integral derailleur hanger...