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vmcrcr 09-22-09 06:05 PM

What is this frame?
 
http://nh.craigslist.org/bik/1387649447.html
near me, worth picking up?

kpug505 09-22-09 06:24 PM

Rare curved fork my....But I'm no expert on "30's" Schwinns. Kinda cool if it is in fact not damaged goods...

cb400bill 09-22-09 06:36 PM

Fork sure looks bent to me.

http://images.craigslist.org/3n23k13...8a5a0b121f.jpg

vmcrcr 09-22-09 06:43 PM

I've got an email out to the guy, let's see if he calls me so I can have a closer look at it.
Might be worth the trip, it should be within 1/2 hour of me.

old and new 09-22-09 06:44 PM

Worth looking at I suppose, Don't think it's worth the money; it could be bent and might not be what the shop thinks it is.

cudak888 09-22-09 07:46 PM

It's an early 1930's Schwinn frame w/rear-facing dropouts (original) and the most horrifically bent forks I've seen on one of them. Either the shop is full of bull, or the Craigslist seller is - one or the other needs a good wallop delivered via this fork.

-Kurt

jgedwa 09-22-09 07:50 PM

Hate to see what the curb looks like now.

cudak888 09-22-09 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by jgedwa (Post 9725339)
Hate to see what the curb looks like now.

http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/var/s..._landscape.jpg

-Kurt

kendall 09-22-09 08:40 PM

That's about right for a schwinn/curb collision!

vmcrcr 09-22-09 09:26 PM

Any definite way to tell? Serial number should be located on the dropouts, hopefully there will be some decals left on it...the lousy picture doesn't give any clues.

cudak888 09-22-09 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by kendall (Post 9725694)
That's about right for a schwinn/curb collision!

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/res...rtwo-Crash.jpg

I hear a Schwinn Varsity side-swiped that one.

-Kurt

Ex Pres 09-22-09 10:32 PM

Were the 30's BBs oversize compared to modern ones, or is that just an illusion? Just another cost to consider if it is.

cudak888 09-22-09 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by vmcrcr (Post 9725952)
Any definite way to tell? Serial number should be located on the dropouts, hopefully there will be some decals left on it...the lousy picture doesn't give any clues.

http://www.bunchobikes.com/serialnumber2.htm


"On bikes older than 1948 you need to use reference to other, known year bikes,

or pull out the crank to look for a date stamp on it. Doing both is a good idea.

All serial number records before 8/18/1948 were lost in a factory fire."

I'm quite convinced by the dropouts that this is an early 1930's machine - same dropouts were used on the Autocycles and similar balloon-tire frames of the era. Problem is that I can't locate any diamond-frame machine from the mid/late '30s with similar dropouts.


Originally Posted by Bob Barker (Post 9726260)
Were the 30's BBs oversize compared to modern ones, or is that just an illusion? Just another cost to consider if it is.

It's just a run-of-the-mill Ashtabula BB.

-Kurt

cman 09-23-09 10:52 AM

Serial numbers are not available prior to 1948 due to a fire at Schwinn warehouse. Only way to date it would be pulling a crank(missing) and look for the year that would of been cast on it.
or find some reference that looks like it.

http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1893_1940/index.html

Schwinn Frame but not a Schwinn fork.
I don't think the fork is bent. I believe Rollfast used to us a fork like that.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3605/...d1a4d239_o.jpg

ozneddy 09-23-09 01:58 PM

I learn something new everyday !

David Newton 09-23-09 02:05 PM

Should make a great winter cool fixie project.

kpug505 09-23-09 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by cman (Post 9728730)
Schwinn Frame but not a Schwinn fork.
I don't think the fork is bent. I believe Rollfast used to us a fork like that.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3605/...d1a4d239_o.jpg

I'm sorry:rolleyes:....But IMO...Not only is the fork pictured above bent but it is also turned around backwards so that it is still relatively usable...

Ronsonic 09-23-09 07:48 PM

The fork isn't bent, it's on backwards. Or rather just needs rotated 180 before you mount the stem.

kpug505 09-23-09 08:02 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I'm sticking with bent. Not the best with the ol' MS paint but it looks clearly bent to me against a straight line...

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...1&d=1253757665

cudak888 09-23-09 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by cman (Post 9728730)
I don't think the fork is bent. I believe Rollfast used to us a fork like that.

Something tells me this is a sarcastic remark, fellows.

-Kurt

kpug505 09-23-09 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 9732417)
Something tells me this is a sarcastic remark, fellows.

-Kurt

Oops...Straight over my head.:o Sorry for getting all bent. Pun intended.

cman 09-24-09 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 9732417)
Something tells me this is a sarcastic remark, fellows.

-Kurt

Nope, I am serious. I am trying to get more info. What would be the difference if you curved out or curve out and down, as long as the dropout end is in the same spot?

In the mean time here is a pic of a custom bike with the same style fork.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...N/2007b032.jpg

rhm 09-24-09 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 9726269)

Originally Posted by Bob Barker (Post 9726260)
Were the 30's BBs oversize compared to modern ones, or is that just an illusion? Just another cost to consider if it is.

It's just a run-of-the-mill Ashtabula BB.

I agree with Kurt that, judging by the photo, this frame takes an Ashtabula type crank; but there were Schwinn lightweights around that period that took a standard English BB and had cottered cranks. I have a New World from about 1940 with English BB threads. I'm pretty sure it has forward facing dropouts, though.

cudak888 09-24-09 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by cman (Post 9734882)
What would be the difference if you curved out or curve out and down, as long as the dropout end is in the same spot?

The difference is that the fork was not manufactured that way. It isn't supposed to be like that. For that matter, bends of that magnitude generally bend the steerer tube as well, and/or the frame. Surprisingly, the red balloon-tire frame you post here seems to be intact from the fork crown up.


Originally Posted by cman (Post 9734882)
In the mean time here is a pic of a custom bike with the same style fork.

It's bent too. Whoever thought that the bent fork makes it "custom" is a moron. It's on the same level as calling a smashed car fender or a vehicle with a twisted chassis as being "custom."

-Kurt

dbakl 09-25-09 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by cman (Post 9728730)
Schwinn Frame but not a Schwinn fork.
I don't think the fork is bent. I believe Rollfast used to us a fork like that.

I think that fork is bent and reversed to clear the frame...


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