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Old 05-22-23, 07:31 PM
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I think the Miyata is a good old touring bike with a lot of lore surrounding it and that lore jacks the pricetag on the used market. This is great news for those who don't care if they ever own a Miyata 1k as there are many similar calibre touring bikes of the same era to choose from. There is no way I'd take a Miyata 1k over a decent modern touring bike.
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Old 05-24-23, 07:44 PM
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Öjust a mediocre touring bikeÖ

The present iteration of my Miyata one thousand that doesnít deserve cult status.

Set it up with a S-A 2spd
presently itís got the worst Conti tyres of all time
Iím going to ditch them before I end up with a face full of gravel.






these tyres suck.
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Old 05-28-23, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mrv
The present iteration of my Miyata one thousand that doesnít deserve cult status.

Set it up with a S-A 2spd
presently itís got the worst Conti tyres of all time
Iím going to ditch them before I end up with a face full of gravel.

these tyres suck.
Highly recommend one of the iterations of the Schwalbe Marathon tires. For asphalt, I love the Racerís.
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Old 05-28-23, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiepedaler
There is no way I'd take a Miyata 1k over a decent modern touring bike.
After 12 years or so I still have the Ď83 Miyata 700 in my small stable (a very close sibling to the 1000) and I appreciate it for its simplicity. Our guests have commented how much they love its ride traits when theyíve used it for weekend credit card tours. I later tell them itís a bike from the early 80ís and they seem surprised. But I agree with you. Given the choice, for serious touring, Iíd rather go with a modern touring bike.
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Old 05-28-23, 09:01 PM
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22905170[/url]]Highly recommend one of the iterations of the Schwalbe Marathon tires. For asphalt, I love the Racerís.
switched over to some Palsaes I had on another bike. Iíll look into the Schwalbes when I need to resolve them Ö. Which is soon!
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Just rode my '83 Pro Miyata up to Bald Peak SW of Portland. (Frame picked up from a BFer last summer. Rusty mess but very well photographed so no surprises. Set it up with almost correct Cyclone derailleurs and brakes. Superbe came with it but salvaging those rusty parts is a future winter project. New GL330 rims and skinny race tubulars. Pure best of early '80s race bike.) Long NItto Pearl stem. Fit is simply sweet.

What a ride! Wonderful bike. Great handling. Race speed corners is what it was built to do. Uphill - stiff and just wants to go at all the watts you have. (I had to discipline myself a hide a few away from it.) Downhill completely behaved (at race quick but perfect steering. (As I get older, the consequences of high speed crashes get harder to ignore and with them, trepidation. Trepidation can be a driving force for speed wobble that hounds one off my bikes. This one is sweet. I backed off a little on the possible 50 mph descent coming home, light braking, light head wind, but not much and bike was fine.

Uphill - not super light. With no bag or pump probably no lighter that my '70s race bike but that had lighter wheels and tires. But this bike simply wants to go uphill. Plenty stiff. Everything I put out is forward energy. Like or a tiny bit better than old bike. Sadly the engine needs a major overhaul and until I see to that, the speeds don't compare. As great as this bike is, that old one was far, far faster.

And Miyata had so much figured out by then. Little stuff. That was the one year window of the SunTour Asymmetric shifters. With the Cyclones, sublime shifting and feel; about as good as DT friction ever got. They put housing stops over the BB to get the cable runs right for the shifters. (Like a cheap '70s ten speed but - they nailed the locations of the stops. I took my time and put in exactly right lined housing. Absolutely perfect!

Last - got one of those nice '80s metal flake painted bikes but with chips?. Want the paint you can touch it up with? Nail polish! Now matching the color is a challenge but I bet every bike out there is doable. It took me three polishes to get the right mix. I didn't always get it right but the bike is vastly better, looks good at a distance, even in bright sunlight and the rust is stopped. $8 X 3 makes the refurb expensive but still, way under 1% of my namesake's last paint job so I think I can manage the less than perfect. (I can always come back with another coat of better matched. The most visible ones are also the easiest to get at.)
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Originally Posted by mrv
switched over to some Palsaes I had on another bike. Iíll look into the Schwalbes when I need to resolve them Ö. Which is soon!
Do you mean Panaracer Paselas? If yes and you like the size, well if it was me, I wouldn't change. I love those tires. I have 28s on my winter/rain/city fix gear, 35 and 38 on my geared winter/rain/city and have used 25s on another bike. Great tires as an overall compromise. No real bad points. I've done fairly extreme off road with them and they've done well. Decent city tires. Not armored but they don't attract glass. One caution - be careful with the sidewalls. They don't like brushing curbs or bike parts rubbing - at all. But you can ride over sharp rocks all day. Sidewalls are strong and very thin.
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Old 05-29-23, 07:24 AM
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. . . many similar calibre . . . of the same era . . .

Umm, NO, in the Ď80ís the Miyata 1000 was the pinnacle of touring bikes. Iíve a Miyaya 1000 (for comfortable 30- to 50-mile rides) and a Miyata 615 (for sporty trips to the market and back) in my garage, and Iíve restored, rebuilt, or upgraded about 20 steel, pre-index shifting, road bikes and coaster-brake middle weights. I am old school, yes, and Iíve yet to be on an aluminum or carbon fiber bike, or combination thereof, which rides as sweet as lightweight alloy steel.




Originally Posted by prairiepedaler
I think the Miyata is a good old touring bike with a lot of lore surrounding it and that lore jacks the pricetag on the used market. This is great news for those who don't care if they ever own a Miyata 1k as there are many similar calibre touring bikes of the same era to choose from. There is no way I'd take a Miyata 1k over a decent modern touring bike.
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Old 05-29-23, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MLyon18
Umm, NO, in the Ď80ís the Miyata 1000 was the pinnacle of touring bikes.
Miyata was as good as the other high end tourers of the day- but not "the pinnacle" by any means.

The Trek 720 was always made with premium 531 frame/fork/stays and was always specced "better" than the M1000 during its run.

Until the advent of the Splined Triple Butted Tubing for the 1987 model year, they were just ordinary really nice bikes- the splined tubing added stiffness which really makes those bikes special- however it also adds weight (compared to the normal CrMo tubing or the tubing or premium tubing other manufacturers were using).

I have a 1990 Miyata 1000LT. It's a wonderful bike, it's stiffer than any of my other tourers, but it's also heavier than my other bikes. It easily fits 35s, one of these days I'll get around to seeing how they fit with fenders. If I were to be hauling a lot, I think I would choose my M1000. For either unloaded rides or up to 20 pounds, I'd prefer my 720 (or my 620).
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Old 05-29-23, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
Miyata was as good as the other high end tourers of the day- but not "the pinnacle" by any means.

The Trek 720 was always made with premium 531 frame/fork/stays and was always specced "better" than the M1000 during its run.

Until the advent of the Splined Triple Butted Tubing for the 1987 model year, they were just ordinary really nice bikes- the splined tubing added stiffness which really makes those bikes special- however it also adds weight (compared to the normal CrMo tubing or the tubing or premium tubing other manufacturers were using).

I have a 1990 Miyata 1000LT. It's a wonderful bike, it's stiffer than any of my other tourers, but it's also heavier than my other bikes. It easily fits 35s, one of these days I'll get around to seeing how they fit with fenders. If I were to be hauling a lot, I think I would choose my M1000. For either unloaded rides or up to 20 pounds, I'd prefer my 720 (or my 620).
What about your Voyageur SP?
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Nice looking ride. Just joined and really amazed at all the Miyata aficionados out there. Thought I was alone.
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Originally Posted by rgvg
What about your Voyageur SP?
Ugh, you have to bring that up... ugh...

So, like 5 years ago I went out to the garage and I see a 2x4 sitting on the middle of the garage floor- the little girl had some friends over and I thought maybe they had been digging around, looking for something in the garage... so I grab the VSP, ride to the bike store to pick up some stuff, and I parked the bike and something just looked "off." And then I see the dent in the top tube. What I've surmised is that I had that 2x4 stashed in the rafters, and over a few years of opening and closing the garage, that 2x4 fell square on the top tube of my VSP. It's really just cosmetic, but it sucks the soul out of you- and it's JUST in my peripheral vision. I have had the bike mostly torn apart for the past 3 years just because I'm more crushed than the TT.

That being said, the 2 Voyageurs that I've had, they have a less laid back geometry- it feels familiar, yet weird for the first few miles or so. I've ridden a lot of miles on both my old 86 Voyageur and the 84 Voyageur SP- but I haven't done a lot of 'loaded' riding with either of them.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
Ugh, you have to bring that up... ugh...

So, like 5 years ago I went out to the garage and I see a 2x4 sitting on the middle of the garage floor- the little girl had some friends over and I thought maybe they had been digging around, looking for something in the garage... so I grab the VSP, ride to the bike store to pick up some stuff, and I parked the bike and something just looked "off." And then I see the dent in the top tube. What I've surmised is that I had that 2x4 stashed in the rafters, and over a few years of opening and closing the garage, that 2x4 fell square on the top tube of my VSP. It's really just cosmetic, but it sucks the soul out of you- and it's JUST in my peripheral vision. I have had the bike mostly torn apart for the past 3 years just because I'm more crushed than the TT.

That being said, the 2 Voyageurs that I've had, they have a less laid back geometry- it feels familiar, yet weird for the first few miles or so. I've ridden a lot of miles on both my old 86 Voyageur and the 84 Voyageur SP- but I haven't done a lot of 'loaded' riding with either of them.
Oh that's unfortunate. Maybe another one will come your way.

I have a small Voyageur I got last year, and I like it a lot. It's very far from perfect, but it's comfortable. Both the rear and the fork seem to have been spread. I can understand the rear but I don't understand why the fork. I like the way the frame seems to have a bit of flex to it, compared to my 1000 LT, which is stiffer. My Pro Tour is also a bit stiffer, but not as stiff as the Miyata. I have never ridden any of them loaded, though since I was/am a clyde, you could say it's always loaded.

I have to say I really like your bikes (the pics at least).
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Scored my grail frame today!

I've been gathering parts and the wheels in hopes of some day finding an '89 Team Miyata in my size (63cm), and knowing that it just might not happen. Well, just drove three hours away and picked it up! Threw the wheels and seat on as a very preliminary mock-up. It will run 9 speed Dura-Ace, can't wait to get this on the road!!
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