jens5

Topeak makes a long frame pump. Works great.

https://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-...64cm_framesize

Most frame size's. If you don't like logo's, Never dull wadding or a rag with semi-chrome takes them right out.

Rick

SlimAgainSoon

CO2 ... but considering one of the stylish new mini-pumps.

I had a mini-pump way back in the late 90s. It was cheap junk.

I may need to revisit.

Mike Mills

I forgot to mention, my Silca pumps all have the Campagnolo head.

I have been lucky recently to have no flats. <knocks on wood> I use my floor pump in the garage before my ride.

dbakl

Exactly. Frame pumps best for emergency only, though back in the day our plastic Silcas were all we had.
I just scored a couple new aluminum Zefals on ebay I'll put on something...

LesterOfPuppets

Exactly. I got a Silca floor pump at home. Morph for the bike, because it's more like a floor pump than my Silca or HPx3 frame pumps. I HATE steadying the pump head by grabbing onto spokes, even though I only inflate on the road approx. once a year.

alicestrong

CO2-No thanks. Cost money and it's one more thing to recycle...

dit

Topeak Road Morph is much better than the old frame pumps. The better frame pumps will get to around 90# with a fairly high degree of effort. The Morph does not require a lot of effort to get to 90# and it is still fairly small and light. I seldom use my floor pump any more.

bbattle

Me, too. I mount them on the bottlecage.

Road forum would say HTFU.

due ruote 

I like the Zefal HPX a lot. Granted, not as stylish as a Silca, but it works really well and seems durable. I don't care much for CO-2 but I do carry it around on an errand bike for the convenience and so the pump doesn't get stolen. The mini pumps I've used have been ugly, ineffective and not nearly small enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe I didn't try the right ones.

jish1969

I have a new Zefal HPX 3 frame pump for the Paramount that was only 30 bucks at the LBS. They come in 4 different sizes and they are contoured to fit the frame if you dont have the mounting hardware.

bigbossman 

Yeah - those 50 cent cartridges really add up. Why - I must spend 6-7 bucks a year on emergency roadside inflations, when I could be buying gold with all that loot.

I'll take the financial bite for the convenience, myself. The last time I counted, it took over 100 strokes to get a tire up to pressure with the frame pump. With the Co2, just pull the trigger and you're good to go.

Like I said earlier, I used to use the Zefal HPX frame pumps, and still have a small pile laying around somewhere. They rattle, mar paint, and self eject when you hit a bump. I switched over to the convenience of Co2 a couple of years ago, and never looked back.

Co2 is too easy and hassle free for me to go back to a pump, but YMMV. Either way, it's good to have choices.

alicestrong

Ha! You laugh...

What if I walk by a yard sale and see some screaming deal mixte for $5 but I just bought a box of cartridges and have no money??

TejanoTrackie 

The Zefal HPX is a great pump. It is much more sturdy and durable than a Silca; you can easily get 120 psi out of it; it has a clamp-on lever so it doesn't pop loose while you are pumping; it is easily configurable for both presta and schrader. It doesn't rattle, mar paint or self-eject if you mount it properly. See examples below:

froze

There were plenty of bad mini pumps made that just didn't do the job as the manufacture advertised. But not all were bad. I had a Torelli Aria mini that worked great up to about 95psi; but then I got a SKS Puro that sucked big time, fortunately SKS exchanged it for their WESE Carbon which so works great. I only carry my frame pump on longer rides, but I always carry the mini even when I'm carrying the frame pump on the longer rides. But there are several good mini's on the market just don't believe their max rated pumping psi capability because they all lie about that.

I also carry connected to the front presta valve a Presta to Schrader converter...just in case.

I don't use CO2 because of their limited air supply, and quite frankly I'm more then physically capable of getting a pump to work and don't mind the little effort required. Besides, I don't want deal with the trash of the carts nor have to deal with buying new ones and remembering to restock the seat bag after I used one, or forgot to buy new carts only to remember right before I take off riding.

By the way, I too own a Silca Impero with the Campy head that I bought in 84, I still have it and it's in excellent shape but I retired it when I heard it may be a classic. So I got a Zefal HP to take it's place in the frame department.

bigbossman 

Well...... ya got me there. A box of 24 Co2 cartridges costs $12.95 plus tax. Granted, that's at least a year's supply, but if you buy it on the day you're walking home and stumble on the mixte... oh well.

I never said the HPX wasn't a great pump - I agree with you that it is. But the for me the Co2 is much more convenient and easy to use, and fits in the seat wedge or jersey pocket. Like I said earlier, YMMV.

FWIW, I have had a "properly mounted" Zefal mar the finish. Those little nylon half-round frame supports did abrade the paint on one of my bikes over time. None of my bikes, vintage or otherwise, have a pump peg. I'll be damned if I'll put a clip around a tube, or let the blunt end of the pump hold itself against the tube under a friction fit.

Maybe I should drag out my box o' pumps and have a little sale in the "for sale" subforum.

Jeff Wills

I used to swear that you'd get my Silca from me when you pried it from my cold, dead fingers... now I have 4 Morph pumps on various bikes. It's so much nicer to brace them against the ground and really lean on the plunger.

I still have the Silca bodies- a yellow 53 and a red 56. No head - that went in a swap meet a while ago. Anyone want one or both?

Reynolds 

+1. I carry one and never had a problem.

froze

I've never had a "properly mounted" Zefal or Silca ever mar my frames, of course I have steel bikes. The little nylon half-round frame supports can't abrade the paint IF you slice an old tube into strips the same size as the nylon thingy, same is true with the clip. The blunt end of the pump won't mar the paint if you wrap the frame with a old tube slice and hold it together with electrical tape.

But all that is just insane to be so worried about mars created by a pump for the life of your bike, because your going to mar it far more from other things happening to it that will make any pump mars look like nothing happened at all!

Get real...unless your not planning on ever riding your bikes, then you may have point.

bigbossman 

I assure you, I am real and I do like to take care of my (steel) bikes. Rubber tube strips are ugly, are just another place for grit and moisture to collect, and are a horrible idea for any bike I care about. I ride my bikes quite a bit, and mostly on long distance rides (metrics and full centuries). I have a very good track record of not screwing up the finish on my bikes, despite the miles ridden. And I have had extensive personal experience with both pumps and Co2. I don't like to ride beaters, and I don't like my bikes looking like beaters, either. I build them up, and I take pride in them.

All of this is academic to me, anyway. The superior convenience and stow-ability makes the Co2 choice a no brainer - for me.

If you like the pumps that's fine with me. I prefer the Co2. It's really silly to argue about personal preference, donch'a think? Oh - and I'll thank you in advance to not call me insane. We can do without personal attacks, if you don't mind.

PS - if you wanna buy some pumps, I've probably got at least six of them hanging around.

Fibber

Like I said earlier, check out the Second Wind. Best of both worlds. Mini hand pump and CO2 in one. Yes, it's a floor wax and a desert topping! (gotta be of the right age to appreciate that one...).

LesterOfPuppets

If you've got a Silca in blue, I may be interested. Cracked the barrel of the one that came with my Pinarello...

bigbossman 

A pile of Zefals (spoils of flipping), and one cream colored Silica with a Campy head.

LesterOfPuppets

I remember my first mini-pump experience in the mid 90s, a blackburn with a ****ty plastic head. That was the worst pump ever!

Someone left a Morph in my basement at a party around 2001 and since then I rock frame pumps for nostalgia purposes only.

canopus 

Mid 80's Zefal HP full frame pump. You can't argue with something that still works after 24 years...

Straightblock

....except their cell phone. Seems like at least a couple of times a month I ask someone with a flat if they need any help, and they say no, someone is coming to pick them up. Geez....

Me, I carry a Blackburn Airstick, 2 tubes & a patch kit, and try to always ride with my buddy who has a Zefal HPX. I see too many CO2 cartridges in the ditch, usually with a punctured tube nearby. But that's a rant for another thread.