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Old 10-17-09, 05:37 PM
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Interesting Cilo Tange 1

I have come across an interesting Cilo, in half decent shape, Shimano 600 (maybe it was 105) I think, looks 80s period. All of the Cilo I have seen have had Columbus or HT type tubing of various grades. I think this bike maybe a Japanese bike, it looks awfully similar to a Centurion Ironman.

Do these have any value, the owner wants about 450 which seems a bit high but it is a nice bike, sits good too?
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Old 10-17-09, 05:52 PM
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FWIW, my Cilo is 531, so they clearly didn't have much loyalty to any particular tubing manufacturer.
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I serviced one of these Japanese Cilos (set up as a fixed conversion) last week. Nice machine (shame it had been Drew'ed).



$450 sounds extremely high - fellow I know who bought this one picked up the frame for well under $100.

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Thanks, it is not just a frame, it is a fully functional bike but still, it does seem high.

This ruining of classic frames to make a "fixie" is out of control.
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I still see all the braze-ons on that Cilo, Kurt. How exactly has it been drewed?
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I still see all the braze-ons on that Cilo, Kurt. How exactly has it been drewed?
Looks like the shifter bosses have been chopped off and track dropouts added.
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Oh yeah, the shifter bosses do look like they've been removed.

There's no such thing as track dropouts, by the way.
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Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
Oh yeah, the shifter bosses do look like they've been removed.
That, and the derailer hanger.

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Cilo switched to Tange for their mid-range models in the late 1980s, circa 1987/1988. They offered both a 105 and Ultegra equipped model with the same Tange #1 frameset. You don't mention your locale. The price would not appear to be unreasonable for a good clean Ultegra model, in one of the higher priced markets. I have seen Ironmaster Masters that have sold for not much less. Certainly, the heritage would make it more desirable than a Centurion, even if it was an Asian model.
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I serviced one of these Japanese Cilos (set up as a fixed conversion) last week. Nice machine (shame it had been Drew'ed).
I had one pass through my hands with the same color scheme, Tange 2 tubing. Agreed on the price assessment. $250 if it's in really, really nice ride ready condition, maybe $300 if you really, really want it.
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Old 10-18-09, 07:21 AM
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You don't mention your locale. The price would not appear to be unreasonable for a good clean Ultegra model, in one of the higher priced markets.
I was going to agree if it were in Canadian dollars, then I used a conversion calculator and noticed the US dollar is nearly even with the Canadian dollar! There goes the economy (well, up for the Canadian economy!)
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we had one of those at a shop I worked in. I think 105. it came from a place we bought out. I would have given it a home but it was not my size. as I recall they were nice bikes but 450 for a run of the mill 20 something bike seems high. pics? is it in good shape?
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Cilo switched to Tange for their mid-range models in the late 1980s, circa 1987/1988. They offered both a 105 and Ultegra equipped model with the same Tange #1 frameset.
So these were built in Switzerland, not brought in from a Japanese contractor?
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
I have seen Ironmaster Masters that have sold for not much less. Certainly, the heritage would make it more desirable than a Centurion, even if it was an Asian model.
...arrow through me 'eart.....aargh....
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
So these were built in Switzerland, not brought in from a Japanese contractor?
The example I serviced had a bold, foil sticker on the seattube: MADE IN JAPAN

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Exit: All bikes have drop-outs, even track bikes. Drop-outs are what the axle sits in - all bikes have a pair on the chain/seat stays and a pair on the fork (and it's 'fork', not 'forks' -there's only one LOL). You are confusing them with 'hangers', which are what derailleurs bolt onto.
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Exit: All bikes have drop-outs, even track bikes. Drop-outs are what the axle sits in - all bikes have a pair on the chain/seat stays and a pair on the fork (and it's 'fork', not 'forks' -there's only one LOL). You are confusing them with 'hangers', which are what derailleurs bolt onto.
FYI, a bicycle two forks. The rear triangle, consisting of the seat and chain stays is also known as the rear fork. The pieces of the forks that the wheels mount onto are known as fork ends. A dropout is a specific type of fork end, whereby the wheels 'drops out' when the fasteners are released. This does not happen on a track bicycle where the slots are horizontal, the slot opening faces the rear and the chain keeps the wheel in place until the chain is removed. Consequently, the proper term on a track bicycle is (rear) fork ends, as opposed to dropouts. To this end, member Exit was correct, however it has become commonplace to use 'dropout' to also describe 'track rear fork ends'.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
FYI, a bicycle two forks. The rear triangle, consisting of the seat and chain stays is also known as the rear fork. The pieces of the forks that the wheels mount onto are known as fork ends. A dropout is a specific type of fork end, whereby the wheels 'drops out' when the fasteners are released. This does not happen on a track bicycle where the slots are horizontal, the slot opening faces the rear and the chain keeps the wheel in place until the chain is removed. Consequently, the proper term on a track bicycle is (rear) fork ends, as opposed to dropouts. To this end, member Exit was correct, however it has become commonplace to use 'dropout' to also describe 'track rear fork ends'.
Nope.
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Nope.
***sigh***

Yeah, hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs.
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***sigh***

Yeah, hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs.
Yes

and it took 2 years to come up with that response.
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Nope.
Both Campagnolo and Shimano used the term "fork ends" to refer to their axle retention frame fittings, whether they were road or track type (see scans). So, as previously stated, "fork end" is the historically proper nomenclature as recognized by the manufacturers, with "dropout" being a specific type of "fork end". Using "dropout" to describe rear, track style, fork ends is technically a misnomer, though everyone understands the intention.



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Yes

and it took 2 years to come up with that response.
Really, I just copied those lines from a few of his other responses in the other thread.

Think of it as a "tribute," or "homage."
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T-Mar's knowledge is only surpassed by his patience. Instead of fighting back with verbiage, he merely supported his position with FACTS.
Track bikes have fork ends, not dropouts. If someone calls them dropouts, I know what they mean and probably won't correct them. Just like every time I see someone refer to their bike's brakes as breaks. Doesn't pay in most instances to correct people. They just get offended and then get defensive. I read a post earlier today that made me shake my head. I just moved on because it seems the general feeling is that so long as you are able to communicate what you mean it doesn't matter what you say, or how you say it. Oh well.....
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