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Old 10-29-09, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's "major?" Considering the bar tape and saddle adjustment on that thing, I'd put that down as bad prep for photography more then a major accuracy issue.

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The original post says the error is "pretty basic and pretty obvious". Having a pad rubbing on the sidewall meets that definition in my opinion. The post says nothing about a "major accuracy issue". That's your assumption. You're not seeing the forest for the trees. Go back to the "basics". There's nothing more basic than ensuring a pad is contacting the rim and not the sidewall.

BTW, who would have to prep a bicycle for a photo shoot? The bicycle should be properly set-up for riding, whether it's going to a photo shoot or not. Sure, clean it up, dust it off, but having to change the brake shoe height?
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Old 10-29-09, 09:41 AM
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To add some focus here:

Race bikes from this period used 700c tubulars NOT 27" wheels.

Pista pedals were very common to use on the road at the time.

The brake routing shown here is correct for Campy sidepulls, although some riders used the opposite routing. (the cables are way too long on this bike though).

The bottle cage is a period correct REG.

Ok, back to the wild guesses.
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Old 10-29-09, 10:02 AM
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There would be no H2O bottle braze on with a bike of that vintage and the cage would have used little metal straps (just a guess-I can't remember when frames started to get bottlecage braze ons). I would think that if the frame had H2O cage braze-ons, it would also have TT cable braze-ons too, instead of chrome clips.

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Old 10-29-09, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Crampangoslo View Post
There would be no H2O bottle braze on with a bike of that vintage and the cage would have used little metal straps (just a guess-I can't remember when frames started to get bottlecage braze ons). I would think that if the frame had H2O cage braze-ons, it would also have TT cable braze-ons too, instead of chrome clips.
Nope, see previous posts, or look at Eddy pictures from the era.
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Old 10-29-09, 10:45 AM
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Eddy always parked his front skewer BEHIND the fork blade (the correct way), book shows it in front. Can't tell for sure but it almost looks like the skewer in the photo is all the way open, rather than all the way closed... just looking at the way it's curved... like somebody wingnutted it.



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Old 10-29-09, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Crampangoslo View Post
The toe strap is in backwards. It looks like it was threaded through the top of the toe clip first
yeah the left toestrap is wrong.
the seat is too low but the toe strap is defiantely wrong.
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Old 10-29-09, 01:14 PM
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Brake lever clamps are on top of bar tape.

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Old 10-29-09, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
The original post says the error is "pretty basic and pretty obvious"
Good point - I got wrapped up in the curiosity of it all.

Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
BTW, who would have to prep a bicycle for a photo shoot? The bicycle should be properly set-up for riding, whether it's going to a photo shoot or not. Sure, clean it up, dust it off, but having to change the brake shoe height?
I'd expect most of these ex-TDF bikes to be in pitiful cosmetic and mechanical condition - they wind up as deteriorating museum pieces, uncared for and left in that state under the nonsense premise that leaving it dilapidated is "more original" then cleaning it up.

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Old 10-29-09, 03:36 PM
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Alright, enough already. let's wrap this up.

after a few hints from another NCCC member ("the clue is in one of Merckx's unique fetishes... also something to do with his body size. think about eddy with his tape measure... ")
the answer was clea. and several people here nailed it.

This from Mike Barry:

Hi Peter,
"Yes the answer is 'saddle too low'.
I had an e-mail discussion with author Jan Hiene about it and he said that that was how he received the bike for photographing and if he had corrected the saddle position scratches on the post would show. To me that saddle position really spoils the whole cover photo. (That is the photo on the front of the book.) I wrote about the book and the cover photo in my blog last Feb 1. You can read it if you wish at www.bicyclespecialties.blogspot.com and going to the Feb09 posts.

Here is the URL to the February posts, which includes a writeup of the restoration of Mike's own 1951 Cinelli.

https://bicyclespecialties.blogspot.c...1_archive.html

thanks for all the suggestions and guesses. I've asked Mike to dream up another trivia question.

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Old 10-29-09, 04:50 PM
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Well I'm glad I was not the only one who was put off by this photo.

Last month my wife got me the "Handbuilt Bicycle" book that Jan put out, but it was really the "Competition" book that I had wanted, as I'm more into racing bikes.

I got online to possibly exchange them and when looking at that cover shot of the Merckx bike I was immediately put off by the saddle height. I figured if they were going to let that go, then how can I trust the rest of the book. I'm not syaing they needed to get the exact measurement that Eddy rode, but c'mon it looks like a total Fred set-up as is. I would not list a bike on ebay set up like that!

Anyway, I kept the "Handbuilt" book, which is really terriffic, and I probably learned a lot more from that one anyway. I'm sure the "Competition" book is great as well, cover photo aside. Maybe next year.
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Old 10-29-09, 05:00 PM
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Here's an interesting take on the saddle height issue from Bicycle Specialties blog (scroll down to the 2nd story):

However the image is spoilt by the position of the saddle. Merckx would never have ridden it with the saddle so low. It is about five centimetres below where Eddy would have positioned it.

Apparently after the bike was ridden by Eddy to win the '74 World Championship in Montreal it was presented to the Pope. The Pope then passed it on to a priest who was a bit of a cyclist. He apparently rode it a few times and then presented to the cyclists’ chapel of Madonna de Ghisallo.

Why when Jan Heine and Jean Pierre Pradares photographed the bike didn't they put the saddle back to Eddy's position? Jan is very knowledgeable and must have realized that it was wrong.
Blame the saddle height on a short priest and an oversight by the photographer.

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ahh, the power of Photoshop

Robert Murray of the Toronto No Click Cycling Club took the time to tweak the cover shot a bit. He figures the attached is what the shot should have looked like.
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Old 11-01-09, 12:43 PM
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Both the brake and the gear cables are routed over / behind the handlebar where they might interfere with the rider i.e they are in the way of the rider. My guess is the levers are switched as pointed out in earlier posts but to do this switching Eddy had to put the cables behind the handlebars instead of in front of the handlebars to avoid too much bending of the cables. The setup as shown in the pictures looks a little dangerous as the rider could catch a hand in a cable and cause an accident.
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Old 11-01-09, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kincsem View Post
Both the brake and the gear cables are routed over / behind the handlebar where they might interfere with the rider i.e they are in the way of the rider. My guess is the levers are switched as pointed out in earlier posts but to do this switching Eddy had to put the cables behind the handlebars instead of in front of the handlebars to avoid too much bending of the cables. The setup as shown in the pictures looks a little dangerous as the rider could catch a hand in a cable and cause an accident.
I challenge you to find a picture of a pro riding with traditional brake cables routed the way you suggest.

Please post the picture here when you find it.

Good luck.
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Old 11-01-09, 01:15 PM
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You are right. I was wrong. I just looked through my Paris - Roubaix book to confirm.

The "brake levers on top of the bar tape" answer above looks best. I don't like the front wheel quick relaese pointing upwards (could catch in something) but that is preference.
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Old 11-01-09, 01:23 PM
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Nothing to do with the bicycle?

Should it read -

The Competition Bicycle
A Photographic History

not as shown

The Competition
A Photographic History
Bicycle
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Old 11-01-09, 01:41 PM
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See post #35.
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