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Pogliaghi with Shimano.....?

Old 11-05-09, 11:43 AM
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Pogliaghi with Shimano.....?

Hi there,
Im hoping to buy this Pogliaghi. Its sticker says its a Rossin. Judging by other bikes with similar decals I belive its an '86ish.
Ive seen people scoff in other posts at the idea of Shimano on a Pogliaghi, but this one is claimed to be all original and looks like mint condition, but has 105s on it......
Whats the word?

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Old 11-05-09, 01:37 PM
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Was Rossin putting shimano 105 on some Pogs?
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Old 11-05-09, 01:54 PM
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I'd wager the bike was a midrange bike with columbus SP tubes or maybe basic columbus chromoly. Shimano 105 just is not as pretty as the 600 or Campy stuff from the time. I'd take that bike in a heartbeat. 105 is ugly compared to the polished parts but works just as well.
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+1 jump on it! Just promise to take the U-lock "holster" off.
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Hahaha! Yeah holster comes off.

columbus SP vs basic chromoly, big difference?.... are SL/SLX/TSX just higher quality chromoly, or something else all together?
I have a few Centurions with the Tange 1 chromoly, would that be "basic chromoly"?...
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Originally Posted by IronFan View Post
Hahaha! Yeah holster comes off.

columbus SP vs basic chromoly, big difference?.... are SL/SLX/TSX just higher quality chromoly, or something else all together?
I have a few Centurions with the Tange 1 chromoly, would that be "basic chromoly"?...
SP, SL/SLX/TSX are all from the same material, SP is heavier wall than SL, Columbus called the alloy "Cyclex" or something close. It is basically chromoly. Columbus used to say what the ingredients were, and they are making SL again. The X stuff had internal rifleing like a gun bore for added strength, basically needed by the use of braze on front derailleur mounts. I think TSX had the ribs on the chainstays too.
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The frame is a mid-range Columbus Cromor tubeset and the Shimano 105 is no earlier than 1987. 105 was typical on many Cromor frames duing this period, so it's very likely OEM.
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Old 11-05-09, 05:27 PM
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Mr Sheldon Browns says this:
"The thing to remember is that the high-end Tange tubesets were high-quality CrMo steel which were on a par with high-end Columbus SL/SP (CrMo) and Reynolds 531 (manganese-molybdenum) tubesets."

So this is most likely a steep down from my Centurion Ironman with Tange, but probably not by much huh?

It sure is pretty...
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Centurion Ironmen were typically blended Tange sets, usually #1 with a #2 downtube. Most Cromor tubes are slightly thicker and therefore slighty heavier. Cromor is also seamed. At one point seamed tubes had a justifiably poor reputation, but by the time Cromor came out they were structurally as sound as seamless tubes, even if seamless was still theoretically better.
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Nice bike. I really like the paint and decals
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Nice bike. I really like the paint and decals
Looks like a LOOK
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Cool, thanks for all the help.
Im gonna go talk to the guy and see what I can work out.
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Just found out that its Columbus Matrix. Is that worse than Cromor? Cant find it on any tubing charts.
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Matrix is an earlier name for Cromor tubing. I think I recall reading in
Classic Rendezvous that TREK had the name Matrix patented (or copyrighted?)
and Columbus had to rename their tube set.

Same tubeset, different name.

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i have a Rossin built Pogliaghi from the late 80's and i got it with the original 105 gruppo and Matrix tubes. Sante passed and Mario Rossin took over. There is a lot more hype out there for Sante built pogs, but the rossin bikes are top notch as well. I put a 9 speed dura ace mix on mine. https://s3.amazonaws.com/ibike/pictur...0626_large.jpg not the best tube set for "twitchy" racing or sprinting. I like to ride somewhat fast pace distance over challenging climbs and quickly decided mine was perfect to add comfort to performance. its not the lightest bike, but not too heavy either. Super solid. Mine also has a flashy paint job. if u look at the head lugs, they have an extra little wisp. These lugs were used for Rossins and maybe even other italian frames. I found the flashy shimano equipped Pogliaghi bikes in the U.S. traced back to a shop in Florida. I forget the name or why they are now closed (heard the owner was an ass), but i do know they sold imports as a specialty focus and that the store was huge. Tomasso was the house brand of bike they sold. The paint scheme on mine can be found on others as well, but its rare and the decals are usually a bit different than mine. All of these bikes they sold were flashy. It also sounds like that it was the main place to purchase such a bike for quite a while. they closed about the same time that the Pogliaghi name disappeared.
that paint scheme does remind me of the 80's and 90's look bikes. i love mine, and i wouldnt hesitate to inquire about this one.
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Originally Posted by lotek View Post
Matrix is an earlier name for Cromor tubing. I think I recall reading in
Classic Rendezvous that TREK had the name Matrix patented (or copyrighted?)
and Columbus had to rename their tube set.

Same tubeset, different name.

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Lazarus post, but...

Trek used the "Matrix" name on their alloy (read: aluminum or aluminium, depending on whether you reside) rims. For a good 3-4 years in the 80s all TREK rims were "Matrix". I would love to know who the real manufacturer was (I think maybe Aroya but I have no evidence to substantiate that claim)
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As long as this has bumped.....alot more Italian companies than you'd think used Shimano components as OE. Shimano's lowly 105 line outperformed everything in Campys lineup through the end of '91, possibly '92.
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As long as this has bumped.....alot more Italian companies than you'd think used Shimano components as OE. Shimano's lowly 105 line outperformed everything in Campys lineup through the end of '91, possibly '92.
yep, by 1987 Shimano ruled everything but the top end. They actually ruled that also but the Italian bikes tended to stay with C-record. Victory & Athena was not even close in performance to Shimano. Oh that was the dark age.
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I have some Bike mags from 1985. Campy Victory was just released. All the Euro bike makers were running ads with paragraphed victory parts. Simply beautiful mid range bikes! Shortly after Shimano came out with SIS & that was the end of the beautiful bikes. It was all about the click!!
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Keep reminiscing! I feel like Im sitting and a porch somewhere with you all
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Love the color / graphics as well.

Did that happen to come off of Portland C.L.?
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Old 12-08-09, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oregon Southpaw View Post
Love the color / graphics as well.

Did that happen to come off of Portland C.L.?


It was in L.A.
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