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Old 11-10-09, 04:56 PM
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New Ebisu w/ old parts

I haven't been spending much time on this forum lately as it seems the majority interests are diverging from my fairly narrow ones, and non-bike related matters (read: my day job) have kept me really busy. However, I wanted to share my latest build, a kind of retro C&V. The frameset is a Japanese-made Ebisu, ordered and sold through Jitensha Studios in Berkeley. It's along the lines of "semi-custom" in that it was built particularly for me w/ seat tube and top tube sizes I specified (but frame angles/lug set standard) plus other customization options, including color and wheel size. I wanted a frame for 650B wheels, essentially to build a bike around the 41mm Grand Bois Hetre tires that I had on a PX-10 converted to 650B. And I wanted something that was steel, lugged, and took a 1" threaded headset.

A few pics below and more here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lerner.n/Ebisu#

The build list includes
--TA crankset (46/42/26t rings) w/ Phil Wood 122mm BB and Shimano A520 pedals
--Shimano Deore Deer Head mechs and DiaCompe silver bar-end shifters w/ SunTour ultra-six (14-16-19-22-26-30) freewheel
--Mafac canti brakes w/ Tektro R200 levers and Velo-Orange brake pads
--Campy seatpost and headset, Ideale 90 saddle
--GB Ventoux bars, Nitto Technomic stem, Velo-Orange leather bar wrap
--Rigida Sphynx rims on Campy NR hubs, Grand Bois Hetre tires, Velo-Orange Zeppelin fenders
--Jitensha Inujirushi front bag w/ Velo-Orange decaleur and custom rack.

I went on a good shakedown cruise today, a 35-mile route that I often ride, and the bike felt great. It just floats down the road on those fat tires, climbs sharply, and descends with surety. I'm hoping to get a bunch more miles in before winter sets in, and the roads get salted.

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Old 11-10-09, 05:08 PM
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And it's orange! Always nice to see your builds, Neal.

What tubes do they build those frames with?
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Classy chainstay guard, too.
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Nice bike!! Looks good.

What kind of water bottle cages by the way?
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Old 11-10-09, 05:15 PM
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Soooooo Sweet

Does Jitensha consider the 650b setup a "custom" feature?

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Old 11-10-09, 05:45 PM
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gorgeous, neal. and the color scheme is fantastic.
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oh man, that is a joy to behold.
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Very nice.

Interesting gearing too.
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Thanks for those comments, all. A few replies below:

Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
What tubes do they build those frames with?
According to the Jitensha website, it's Kaisei tubing.

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What kind of water bottle cages by the way?
Those are V-O Retro cages.

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Does Jitensha consider the 650b setup a "custom" feature?
I think so (or at least my order was considered "custom").

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Interesting gearing too.
Half-step plus granny! It works really well though I ended up shifting much more than I usually do on my ride today.

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Old 11-10-09, 10:16 PM
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Beautiful bike, as I've already told you, Neal. What's the resilient part of the chainstay guard? Rubber or leather? Is there anyplace that those can be bought separate from a whole frame?

I'd also like to find a place that makes or sells the stainless steel chainstay guards; but I think that they must no longer be made by anyone.
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Beautiful bike, as I've already told you, Neal. What's the resilient part of the chainstay guard? Rubber or leather? Is there anyplace that those can be bought separate from a whole frame?

I'd also like to find a place that makes or sells the stainless steel chainstay guards; but I think that they must no longer be made by anyone.
This is the slickest one I've ever seen.

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I like the guards that stainless spokes.

Neal

Did you make a trip to Berkeley or do it all by phone/mail?
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Those tires look so damn comfy...I love the looks of that old saddle...How many miles do you have it? Sorry I couldn't put my old Shimano Touring derailleurs toward one of your builds...I had to put them up on the bay for capital

Do you notice a more plush ride with the 650 tire? Gotta love those Tektro hoods. They are such a great upgrade from the older Shimano/Dia compe hoods.
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I'm also noticing you have the same pedals that I have. Hopefully you like them as well as I do.
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I'm also noticing you have the same pedals that I have. Hopefully you like them as well as I do.
Are those pedals spd compatible on one side? I looked at those at one point but I talked myself out of getting them.

Neal, I really enjoy the bikes you put together. Where are the pictures of those cool GB engravings! I've got the same bars and was surprised at how deep they are. What is the benefit of half step gearing? I am not familiar with it but one of mine is set up that way.
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Neal,

I like it! It has nlerner class just oozing out of it! You probably leave a trail of classiness through the streets of Cambridge and Boston.
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Congratulations Neal, I know you've been waiting eagerly for the Ebisu to arrive. I'll look forward to riding with you before the snow set's in.

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Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
What's the resilient part of the chainstay guard? Rubber or leather? Is there anyplace that those can be bought separate from a whole frame?
It seems to be made from a rubber-like material, Charles, and is one of the signatures of the Ebisu. It's like a little hammock!

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Did you make a trip to Berkeley or do it all by phone/mail?
It was done mostly by email with one final phone call. I was out at Jitensha in Berkeley last January while I was in town to do some research, and that gave me a chance to oggle the frames and built bikes (particularly the Toeis--mamma mia!!). I bought the front bag then. But I didn't have an intention to buy an Ebisu until a few months later when someone out of the blue offered me crazy money for my '85 Raleigh Portage. I sold off a bunch of other bike things as well to finance this.

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Those tires look so damn comfy...I love the looks of that old saddle...How many miles do you have it? Sorry I couldn't put my old Shimano Touring derailleurs toward one of your builds...I had to put them up on the bay for capital

Do you notice a more plush ride with the 650 tire?
Good luck with that derailleur auction! I have it on my watch list. That saddle is by far the softest leather I've ever ridden; it was on a Fuji America that I bought last year, but it's also fairly stretched out; I don't know how much life it has left.

Those tires are the definition of plush. Plus they roll really fast as the sidewalls are really supple. It's the best of both worlds.

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I'm also noticing you have the same pedals that I have. Hopefully you like them as well as I do.
I also have them on another bike that I ride a great deal, John, so, yes, I do like them a lot. I have a couple of pairs of their predecessors, the M324, but this model is lighter and much more attractive to me.

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Are those pedals spd compatible on one side? I looked at those at one point but I talked myself out of getting them.
Yup, platform on one side and spd on the other.

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Where are the pictures of those cool GB engravings! I've got the same bars and was surprised at how deep they are. What is the benefit of half step gearing? I am not familiar with it but one of mine is set up that way.
I should have taken better pics of the engraving on those bars, but here's the one showing the left side and GB logo. The right side is a map of Great Britain:



On the gearing, the 46/42 rings give me very evenly spaced steps w/ no overlap through the entire 6-speed freewheel. John E. from BF has long been a proponent, and I'm sold on the idea.

Thanks again, all.

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Neal, Matt's just teasing you about the GB engravings, he has a very nice photo of them (my old ones) now on his bike.

But woah, that bike, man... the best of both worlds, custom and vintage, isn't that, like, against the rules?
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Very nice, Neal! As someone looking to make the custom plunge someday, I'm curious about the decision making process. What made you go with Ebisu/Jitensha over other builders? And do you know who they contracted for the build itself?
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
This is the slickest one I've ever seen.

So THAT'S what that thing does...I wondered cause I have one and couldn't guess. Seems like you'd want 2 with a run of cable housing in between to give max chain stay protection (?).
BTW, really nice Ebisu (also the name of a well-loved sushi joint in SF, near GG Park)
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Thanks for the post Neal, your stuff is always great.
Sorry about the day job.
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Very nice. An Ebisu (the 700c "road" version) is on my very short list of frames I want to have before I die.
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Very nice, Neal! As someone looking to make the custom plunge someday, I'm curious about the decision making process. What made you go with Ebisu/Jitensha over other builders? And do you know who they contracted for the build itself?
I had seen pics of the Ebisu online, particularly the 650B version, and once I saw some frames/bikes in person at Jitensha, I was sold. It's not a true custom, so the build would happen more quickly and cost relatively less. I'm afraid I don't know who the actual builder is.

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Good to hear from you again Neal. As always, a fine build! My guess that this one is a "keeper"?
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