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Old 06-24-16, 05:01 PM
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Very nice mistral! do you know the exact year (serial #?)? interesting that it has the top tube stop cable braze-ons...
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Originally Posted by jetboy
Very nice mistral! do you know the exact year (serial #?)? interesting that it has the top tube stop cable braze-ons...

Originally Posted by jetboy
Very nice mistral! do you know the exact year (serial #?)? interesting that it has the top tube stop cable braze-ons...
When I got the frame in May, it was painted brown and any decals were removed or painted over. The owner at that time gave me the info regarding Holdsworth Mistral and he knows what he is talking about. I did the complete redo. Stripped, prepped....painted and got some decals, built up with mostly Shimano arabeque 600 parts that I had in my workshop...some modern parts, for my comfort, like VO stem and VO rando bars that I had in my workshop too. And you see the finished project. But it came to me as a brown bomber. Here's a step by step small progress when I would remove it from my shop for drying, etc. I never did take a pic of it in the brown beginning. But the link is below.

serial number is:40268
Does that give some guidance as to year? I used old brochures to try and narrow it down. It only has the braze on for the rear brake. And a downtube "knob" for clamp on shifter, which I am going to assume was single lever. I set it up much differently using what I had. There are some additional pics of my process when working on it here.
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The holdsworth numbers were sequential for the most part.. and can be a good guide to dating it pretty exactly if someone else has a close number and knows the year. (but I am not up on the early 70s/60s numbers.. only know the late 70s/80s numbers as that is what I have)
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Originally Posted by jetboy
The holdsworth numbers were sequential for the most part.. and can be a good guide to dating it pretty exactly if someone else has a close number and knows the year. (but I am not up on the early 70s/60s numbers.. only know the late 70s/80s numbers as that is what I have)
Most likely it's a 1972 frame. I know frame #40611 (and I think this is a Mistral too, but don't know for sure) was 1972-73.
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Originally Posted by amulinder
Most likely it's a 1972 frame. I know frame #40611 (and I think this is a Mistral too, but don't know for sure) was 1972-73.
Thanks. That helps me narrow it down also. The more I ride it, the more I like it. Very smooth.
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Originally Posted by pamaguahiker
Thanks. That helps me narrow it down also. The more I ride it, the more I like it. Very smooth.
I made a plot of Holdsworth serial numbers vs. year for all the frames I could find online. Here it is:



The polynomial is:

year = 1974.3 - 0.0037701 * x + 1.779e-07 * x^2 - 2.0812e-12 * x^3

where x is the serial number. It's not monotonically increasing so is more inaccurate closer to 1980, but places the build of your frame (40268) in 1975. This is about two years later than the estimate of @amulinder: perhaps someone else has a frame of similar era as a confirmation.
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Holdsworth alert!!
Hilary Stone has a Beautiful HOLDSWORTH STRADA SPECIALLISSIMO Frame set for sale. Made at the Putney Rd. Shop by Reg Collard Holdsworths top builder. I would be all over this one except it is a little to big for me. Here's the Links.

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Check out this link to dwscrimshaw@bti's thread with graphs and links to a very comprehensive ongoing record of internet search for Holdsworth frames, numbers and comments by various authors re dating. I've seen a lot of this previously, as others probably have, but must say this is a fantastic job of recording for all to see.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-numbers.html
Also a similar thread on Retrobike under title "Holdsworth Frame Numbering" with ensuing discussion. https://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/vie...37043#p2637043

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Sweet Milo! put some wheels on that and ri.... I mean take more pics for us.
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Home from the shakedown ride. Need the right cleats for the shoes, and my first ride on the Brooks so I doubled up on shorts, but overall not too bad. Chainline needs a look but rather than change the BB I might try swapping the DA for a Sugino mighty.

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Originally Posted by MiloFrance
Home from the shakedown ride. Need the right cleats for the shoes, and my first ride on the Brooks so I doubled up on shorts, but overall not too bad. Chainline needs a look but rather than change the BB I might try swapping the DA for a Sugino mighty.

Big +1 for the Mighty Sugino Mighty, my all time favorite, every bit as strong and beautiful as any else IMHO. Just do it.
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Holdsworth cyclone deluxe 11333

Looking for info on this bike before I restore it. It's green has chrome bits no gears the badge on the head has cyclone deluxe on it.
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Originally Posted by Alstarz88
Looking for info on this bike before I restore it. It's green has chrome bits no gears the badge on the head has cyclone deluxe on it.
Looks like pictures aren't coming up.

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Hello Alstarz88,

Re Holdsworth Cyclone Deluxe 11333

Off hand looks like a c.1950 absolute top of the heap Holdsworth. Perhaps you know the site but nkilgariff.com is the resource for all things Holdsworth. Click on models and click again on Cyclone Deluxe for this model specifically.

Your couple of pics are a tease and that Cyclone Deluxe badge alone is a precious commodity. More pics for all to see would be great. That bike certainly makes you a "steward of history".

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Originally Posted by allend
Hello Alstarz88,

Re Holdsworth Cyclone Deluxe 11333

Off hand looks like a c.1950 absolute top of the heap Holdsworth. Perhaps you know the site but nkilgariff.com is the resource for all things Holdsworth. Click on models and click again on Cyclone Deluxe for this model specifically.

Your couple of pics are a tease and that Cyclone Deluxe badge alone is a precious commodity. More pics for all to see would be great. That bike certainly makes you a "steward of history".

Doug
Will do when I'm next at the lock up and have some light
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Originally Posted by allend
Hello Alstarz88,

Re Holdsworth Cyclone Deluxe 11333

Off hand looks like a c.1950 absolute top of the heap Holdsworth. Perhaps you know the site but nkilgariff.com is the resource for all things Holdsworth. Click on models and click again on Cyclone Deluxe for this model specifically.

Your couple of pics are a tease and that Cyclone Deluxe badge alone is a precious commodity. More pics for all to see would be great. That bike certainly makes you a "steward of history".

Doug
Will do when I'm next at the lock up and have some light
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Originally Posted by allend
Hello Alstarz88,

Re Holdsworth Cyclone Deluxe 11333

Off hand looks like a c.1950 absolute top of the heap Holdsworth. Perhaps you know the site but nkilgariff.com is the resource for all things Holdsworth. Click on models and click again on Cyclone Deluxe for this model specifically.

Your couple of pics are a tease and that Cyclone Deluxe badge alone is a precious commodity. More pics for all to see would be great. That bike certainly makes you a "steward of history".

Doug







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Originally Posted by Alstarz88







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This is my "almost done" 1950ish Cyclone, I was hoping to take it to Eroica Gaiole but I'm getting the plan B sorted as it probably won't be finished in time.
I've always had a soft spot for Holdsworths as I used to wash cars at the Penge factory as a kid/early teenager, (although I spent the money on a Geoffrey Butler (Croydon) for some reason !!)
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if you select page info you can then copy the jpg source... then it will show here. flickr makes it hard.
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I'd make a suggestion that @Alstarz88 get together with @phoog and consult with him on how to do a restoration of a Holdsworth Cyclone (or Cyclone deLuxe as the case may be). Phoog obviously has some skills and experience and Alstraz88 says he wants to "restore" this beautiful example of a similar model/era...what could be more perfect? Hope you two are located close enough to make it practical..."Tawk amongst yooselves" as some comedian says...
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1980's Roy

Originally Posted by allend
non-fixie,

It will be helpful if someone with more knowledge of Roy Thame frames or a frame owner with knowledge of provedance and serial number chimes in. All I can say is your number 221186 does not fit into the Putney shop numbering system when Roy Thame was producing frames with the Holdsworth label and at least until he was told to cease by Holdsworthy Co in 1975. Thame did not actually build frames. Reg Collard was the specials frame builder at Putney shop until retirement in ~70 when Tommy Quick took over. There were other frame builders that built frames for stock. According to Classic Lightweights site and article on T J Quick by Bryan Clarke he built "special" frames for Putney shop until his retirement in 2000. (He sources info again from Kilgariff) T J Quick cycles So difficult to say if Quick was builder especially if it was a stock frame.

Frame to me has similarities to Holdsworthy (factory) Mistral touring frames of 1st half of 80's.

Again this is all info gleaned from cyberspace. Would be nice if someone with 1st hand knowledge chimed in.
Not sure if this will help but...
I had a Roy Thame frame built for me in the the early 1980's. I placed my order at a W.F. Holdsworth shop in Penge as best as I can recall. The serial number on the frame, to add to the confusion, is 580. I am 6' 8" tall and the frame is close to 72 cm. We substituted the word Thame for the head tube badge, because the head tube is over a foot long! I waited a year for the frame, which was picked up from the shop directly and brought back to the States for me by a friend. The long point lugwork looks similar to your pictures, but not identical. I still ride the bike regularly. I had it repainted about 10 years ago so I don't have the original transfers as a reference. I was browsing the forum as I have always been curious as to who actually built the frame.
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Decals

Any thoughts on decals? I've seen several sets on the web (ebay mainly) and wonder if the cheaper ones are any good? I've a 1980 (from ser. no. 020501) so it's not got a metal headbadge (and they're silly prices 2nd hand anyway) so the decals kit would need the badge. Still undecided as to colour scheme though it'll probably be the classic tango (my Equipe was orange/blue, my Mistral was solid Orange) but I'm not sure whether or not those transfers that have the blue background would 'work'
Holdsworth Frame Decal Set | Planet X
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Holdsworth. Bicycle Decals For Vintage, Classic, Contemporary Holdsworth Cycles
I'm tempted to suspect that some of these are identical just with a markup - as
bicycledecalsltd on eBay seems to be the same company as the last link (and 9 diff) - set numbers even appear to be the same

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