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Old 11-23-09, 01:53 AM
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'86 Nishiki Prestige wheel set screw question

I'm all set to put this frame back together after tearing it completely down and getting it ready to be ridden. As I am getting ready for the bath and parts reinstall, I noticed something I need help with. I expected the rear wheel to have a set screw for spacing, but instead, it appears to have a spacer of some kind. The problem is, there is only a spacer on one side (left/nonRD). I'm pretty good at reserving parts as I take the off the bike, and there is no right side spacer here anywhere, and the frame doesn't look like it ever had one.

Is that right? Assuming the correct answer is no, how do I get a replacement. I'm trying attach photos, but its not working...

I'll wager this is a simple thing, but its new to me so I appreciate the thoughts and help.

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Old 11-23-09, 01:56 AM
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Old 11-23-09, 02:02 AM
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I could not open your photots to look at . However, my guess would be that you have a small half-moon type chrome spacer with a screw through it, onthe left side. This is common, but I do believe you should also have one for the right side, although I may stand to be corrected. Obviously sets the rear wheel in the dropouts correctly .
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Old 11-23-09, 11:04 AM
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I have exactly what you suggest....and I'll have to figure out another way to get the photos attached.

Where do I get a replacement?
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Old 11-23-09, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by alexw View Post
Where do I get a replacement?
Inquire in the ISO/WTB sub forum. I'm sure someoen has a few.
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Old 11-23-09, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by alexw View Post
I have exactly what you suggest....and I'll have to figure out another way to get the photos attached.

Where do I get a replacement?
loosescrews.com used to carry them, maybe they still do but I can never find them when I do a search for all the possible names they might be called.
It would be really great if somebody can put a name on these that will stick and become part of the vernacular...I propose that these dealies shall now and forever be known as "Arvins".
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Instead of getting a replacement, just lose the other one. Problem solved.
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Old 11-23-09, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
Instead of getting a replacement, just lose the other one. Problem solved.
That seemed like exactly what I wanted to do, however there is no hole on the frame to use the traditional set screw....hence no way to set the wheel position properly. Unless I don't need anything, which I feel like I do.
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you don't really have to have them, it's just a convenience in doing quicker wheel changes. You can always just pull the axle back to the sweet spot on one side (which you've memorized) and then center the wheel in the stays. Since i wanted to find out what the industry calls these I searched the archives and found the link to the loosescrews item is dead, but there are 2 new products from Surly that do the same thing, but for more money! They call them by cuter names than Arvins, I guess that's what having marketing professionals on the payroll will get you:

"... I also found a part by Surly called "Monkey Nuts 2.0" that look very similar - $25/pr.



Or these "Karate Monkey" spacers (also Surly) $8/pr:"
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Though it's no help to you, I also have an '85 Nishiki that came with only one of them. Perhaps that was standard -- does anyone else have a bike that came with two? Bigbossman is right, they aren't really necessary. Lots of '70s bikes have no adjustable "stop" provision for the rear dropouts, and somehow people got along, even with QRs (with nutted axles, you can at least "fix" one side at a time).
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Old 11-23-09, 10:46 PM
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I think you ever only had one. My 1982ish Nishiki Olympic had only 1, and now it has none, since it was removed so my wheel could slide back and make more room for my fenders (not by me, but at the LBS). If I still had it I would send it to you, but I don't think they gave it back to me.
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It's driving me nuts, but I am still in the process of finding an old parts catalog to come up with the name of these darn things ? dropout spacers ? If I find a picture and description, I will report on this. It's just one of those darn small parts that are hard to find and forgettable to describe.
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Is there any reason to think I need two of these? I just sort of assumed that they were needed on both sides, but perhaps not? Its pretty clear, based on markings on the frame, where the wheel should "go", so if what I am getting from use of a RH side ARVIN is really just ease of use over a functional requirement then maybe I don't have to have one?
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Originally Posted by alexw View Post
Is there any reason to think I need two of these? I just sort of assumed that they were needed on both sides, but perhaps not? Its pretty clear, based on markings on the frame, where the wheel should "go", so if what I am getting from use of a RH side ARVIN is really just ease of use over a functional requirement then maybe I don't have to have one?
Seriously, you don't need them. As stated, it's a convenience only. Just center the wheel in the chain stays and you'll be good to go.
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Originally Posted by alr View Post
I think you ever only had one. My 1982ish Nishiki Olympic had only 1, and now it has none, since it was removed so my wheel could slide back and make more room for my fenders (not by me, but at the LBS). If I still had it I would send it to you, but I don't think they gave it back to me.
+1 I often find bikes that just have one of these adjusters. Use it on one side, then line your wheel up properly so it is centered on the brake and chain stays. The second one is redundant.
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