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Old 11-23-09, 02:18 PM
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wheels and bike flipping...

I've been fixing up some classic schwinns lately and the biggest hurdle in it has seemed to be the wheels.'ve been having a hard time finding decently priced 27" wheels that i can throw a single speed sprocket on and be done.It seems everywhere i go my only option has been a higher end wheel set with a presta valve.Does anyone have any suggestions,links,to a cheaper route for 27"wheels.Thank you.you're help is greatly appreciated. ps wasn't there a bike flipping sticky here at some point?
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ps wasn't there a bike flipping sticky here at some point?
It was moved the Appraisals and Inquiries subforum: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...e-Flipping-101

You can find inexpensive 27" alloy wheels online and at your LBS. If you're looking for a set even cheaper, watch craigslist, check a local bike kitchen or co-op, or you might even have success posting a wanted ad on craigslist.
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This topic seems to come up about once a month. Lots of pointers to Niagara cycle.

I have had trouble giving away 27" steel wheels.

One such thread from 5 years ago.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...heap-27-wheels.

I build my own wheels, I actually got a pair of Araya rims for $9 on Ebay, but that is pretty unusual. In reality I can rarely build them for as little as they sell them at Niagara. Or I can beat it by $4 with some good deals along the way. Of course I don't count shipping.

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I don't understand why flippers are so hung up on replacing steel wheels. Sure Steel wheels are far from the best, but they were good enough for decades. On a cheap flip, I don't see why anyone would expect anything better than steel.
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Of course I don't count shipping.
Why, it's probably the one the biggest costs in buying parts. If you don't count shipping in the cost of a build you're really fooling yourself.
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On a cheap flip, I don't see why anyone would expect anything better than steel.
I don't see that anyone who buys cheap bikes even knows what the difference is.
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Why, it's probably the one the biggest costs in buying parts. If you don't count shipping in the cost of a build you're really fooling yourself.
I forgot top the little idiot face . Not saying it is a good idea. Building my own wheels is pretty dumb and I do put steels on my cheapest flips. Lot of wet weather around
here and my customers tend to buy bikes because it is their only alternative to public transportation - steel wheels can be a surprise when braking in the wet conditions.
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I don't understand why flippers are so hung up on replacing steel wheels. Sure Steel wheels are far from the best, but they were good enough for decades. On a cheap flip, I don't see why anyone would expect anything better than steel.
+1 Ditto. You can rarely get value out of upgrading wheelsets on steel wheel bikes IMHO, as the rest of the bike is usually low end as well. Buyers looking at the old vintage Schwinns for example have not minded steel wheels on the Varsities, Suburbans, and similar I have sold this year.

I do use alloy wheelsets to complete good framesets. In those cases, I have yet to buy new wheels. I have found nice wheelsets used at garage sales, and I have bought several donor bikes for the wheelsets and other misc components. The garage sale wheelsets have usually even come with tubes and good tires.

After freight, even on the Niagara wheels, you are close to $100. Hard to get $100 additional price out of the flip bike in my experience.
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I'm not interested in upgrading them.The amount of rust that is on them is pretty ridiculous so i wanted to replace them with the same thing.When i called my LBS and say i wanna throw a single speed sprocket on, they automatically wanna sell me a higher end wheel,flip flop hub,etc. I was just wondering about finding a 27"replacement.
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If a replacement is what you're after Niagara is gonna be the cheapest option...cheaper would be to use some Oxalic Acid or Vinegar and some Steel Wool and remove the rust. Do some searches for Oxalic Acid around here...you might be pretty surprised what can be cleaned up.
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I'm not interested in upgrading them.The amount of rust that is on them is pretty ridiculous so i wanted to replace them with the same thing.When i called my LBS and say i wanna throw a single speed sprocket on, they automatically wanna sell me a higher end wheel,flip flop hub,etc. I was just wondering about finding a 27"replacement.
Find a donor bike. I passed on a $10 thrift store bike last week, good set of steel rims, bottom end everything, department store type quality. But the wheels would have been fine for a project like yours.
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Where are you located? I have stripped quite a few bikes this year and sold off the frames. I have several sets of 27" alloy wheels.

I am assuming you realize the need to redish the wheel when converting from a freewheel to a single.
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looks like this guy has the opposite problem.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/1479647306.html
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Originally Posted by CravenMoarhead View Post
If a replacement is what you're after Niagara is gonna be the cheapest option...cheaper would be to use some Oxalic Acid or Vinegar and some Steel Wool and remove the rust. Do some searches for Oxalic Acid around here...you might be pretty surprised what can be cleaned up.
+1 If you are talking about Schwinn's steel wheels, I have had no problem making rusty wheels look new with the oxalic acid treatment.
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Doner bike, doner bike.... I read that all the time. Find 'em.. fine and dandy. I've e-bayed and have gotten some good ones. Niagra's good also .... www.bikepartsusa.com Steel, Alloy... narrow or wide spacing. 27" or 700, the frts. not bad.
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I don't understand why flippers are so hung up on replacing steel wheels. Sure Steel wheels are far from the best, but they were good enough for decades. On a cheap flip, I don't see why anyone would expect anything better than steel.
Depends what the purpose of the bike is. Lots of serious commuters in chicago. The frames are much better than the wheels in most cases, imho. You can make a wonderful bike out of a steel frame that originally had steel wheels. The wheels are garbage: heavy and brake poorly. If I can upgrade them and pass the costs on to the customer, that works out for everybody. They get a bike they feel good using, and I get to have a rep for turning out bikes that are very well set up with new wheels, pedals, etc. I imagine they'll want to get new wheels eventually anyway. I can source them at a better price, so they win. Besides, the ride quality is drastically different.
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If you are looking at making the bikes single speed or fixed, why not go with 700c wheels? For the same $100 that a cheap set of 27" will run you Bicycle Wheel Warehouse has these :
http://www.bicyclewheelwarehouse.com...&productId=204



They are currently out of stock and they only let you order one set at a time, but they seem pretty decent. I have a set waiting to have the bearings repacked and adjusted before putting them on a bike.
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I don't understand why flippers are so hung up on replacing steel wheels. Sure Steel wheels are far from the best, but they were good enough for decades. On a cheap flip, I don't see why anyone would expect anything better than steel.
1+ on the other comments about commuters. Most of my costumers are going to ride in the rain. Braking with steelies is less then idea. Although you might have a point in that I think most of my customers wouldn't know that when they are buying. I am surprised by how many say they haven't ridden a bike in years. And there was one guy who tested my bike looked at the 2 up front 5 on back and said "it is a single speed?" Had know idea what downtube shifters were. Bought the bike anyway. I donno, how do you judge what a buyer is looking for?
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If you are looking at making the bikes single speed or fixed, why not go with 700c wheels? For the same $100 that a cheap set of 27" will run you Bicycle Wheel Warehouse has these :
http://www.bicyclewheelwarehouse.com...&productId=204
I don't what swapmeet is doing, but most of the 27" wheel bikes I sell will go for less then the above plus shipping. Means you have to be pretty careful about cost of components.

You could always visit the house featured in this video http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...icycle-hoarder
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1+ on the other comments about commuters. Most of my costumers are going to ride in the rain. Braking with steelies is less then idea. Although you might have a point in that I think most of my customers wouldn't know that when they are buying. I am surprised by how many say they haven't ridden a bike in years. And there was one guy who tested my bike looked at the 2 up front 5 on back and said "it is a single speed?" Had know idea what downtube shifters were. Bought the bike anyway. I donno, how do you judge what a buyer is looking for?

Its plain and simple around here, in 99% of the cases the people who are looking for a sub-$100 bike aren't gonna be out and about in the rain. Its hard for many of us to fathom since we're sorta crusty and dyed in the wool by now, but for the vast majority of people, those who ride bikes for fun, rain=stay inside.
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