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Old 11-23-09, 10:59 PM
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Bottecchia info, please

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I live in Boulder and brought this bicycle here from the Bay area, where I had bought it 3rd hand. It is a wonderful bike, and I have just finished my 3rd Tour de Tucson--very slow, but I am very off the couch and 65. But I saw in the Tucson Tour results that considerably older people did the route in much better time. I want to rise to the implicit challenge. We plan to do the Phoenix and Stagecoach centuries over xmas/New Year's.
I have enjoyed your conversations re other Bottecchias and would like to know more about my bike. In particular, I'd like to replace the stem. The original black, sleek, Bottecchia stem broke at the handle bar and the snooty bike shop on Pearl Street said that the clumpy thing on my bike now was the only thing available to fit the old-fashioned head set.

You guys sound like you could help me replace the clunker stem with something more appropriate. Any ideas?

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Old 11-24-09, 04:40 AM
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First of all, welcome! Let me say you have a beautiful bike and your story is quite inspirational. I'm 51 and just beginning to ride long distances like you. You really do have some choices for the stem. Try googling a Cinelli XE or a Nitto Pearl. Both of these are great choices from the performance angle, and they look great as well. Watch ebay and Craigslist through jaxed and you will find many choices. Just make sure the stem and the handlebar are compatible as far as size goes. Post the bar here and someone will tell you the correct diameter for your shopping needs. The snooty bike shop doesn't need an attitude, as you have so many choices! Also, try this for some real eye candy:

http://www.matuzmaster.hu/en/ They have a wide array of choices, just email them about your needs. Tell them what was on there originally and they may have one in stock if that is the direction you would like to go. Don't be put off by buying online, that snooty shop in Boulder will still take your money to install whatever parts you may order abroad. If they don't, learn how to do it yourself or find another shop that will. If I can do it, anybody can.

Keep us posted and don't be afraid to post some additional pics of your incredible bike! Also, can you give us a more detailed run down on the components on your bike? I'm nosy about this stuff, and there are a few others here that might be interested as well.
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Very nice bike. Look at the rear derailleur, there will be a date stamped into it and look at the World Championship decal on the frame. Both dates will give you and idea as to the year, its has to be newer than either date. It looks like a top of the line bike, Columbus SL tubing, chrome lugwork and a Campagnolo Super Record group. Very nice.

You can find an more appealing stem in the ISO and For Trade sub section of this forum: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-parts-2-and-3
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Also, there is a very nice 1987 Bottecchia on the Serotta forum under custom bikes. I saw it within the last week or two. Same color scheme, different gruppos. Still Campy, still gorgeous! Might have additional info there as well. .....and while you are it, try searching here for info. You might unearth some gems.
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I can't see the Emperor's bike! whats going on here? is it another a new forum thingie?


OK it opened this time and very worth the wait. beautiful bike

what kind/size stem are you looking for? odds are you original Bottechia stem was a 3T ot ITM engraved for them, like Bianchi does. I have a 130mm 26.0 traditional stem I will be parting with shortly if you are interested.

I always like Bottechias but never came accross one I could afford to purchase. when I was younger and first got into cycling I was enamorer with the myth about Mr Bottechia going out on training ride in the mountains and never returning
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Beautiful bike and congrats on the TdT. Actually, from a function standpoint, the big clunky stem is not so bad. I'm sure the snooty LBS recommended it because it has a two bolt front allowing installation without removing the bar tape and brakes, as opposed to a nicer quill, which will be more time consuming to install. Just so you know the difference.
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I do not see prices do they actually sell these items or just show them?
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As stated by Jim, the most reliable method to narrow down the date is via the victories on the World Championship decal. Bottecchia won in 1966, 1985, 1986 and 1989. The bicycle has a front derailleur braze-on so it can be no older than 1982. If it is SLX as opposed to SL tubing, that would place it no earlier than 1984. The black and white livery was used by the Hoonved and Malvor teams in 1982 & 1983 with a switch to red and white for 1984, though Bottecchia may have continued to offer the old scheme to retailers.
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Heh Bianchigirll,

You shoot an email to Matuzmaster and inquire about the price/product. You realize that it is a good price, factor in your shipping, order up, and in a week or two open your box when it arrives. Repeat these steps when necessary. They are a multi-language site and I've noticed some additional items in Hungarian that were not on the English site. While you are there, check out the DeRosa Titanio. What a frameset, and my size as well. Oh, oh. Also, I recently purchased a panto'd 3T stem for my Casati. Very nice, those 3T products.
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Hi Lin and welcome. Nice ride there. I'm going to go out on a limb with relatively little information on your bike beyond what I can see in the picture and say it's circa 1984 - 1986 and probably SLX tubing. Tubing type should be listed under the bottom bracket shell along with the size. I'm pretty sure the braze-on front derailleur tab came out in '84 and Bottecchia switched to internally routed cables in the top tube in those models in '87. Since yours has a braze-on front derailleur and cable loops on the top tube that would pretty well narrow it down. If the decals mention the 1985 World Championship then it's an '86. If not, check for date codes on the Campagnolo components to determine '84 or '85. Black and white frames were still listed in the early 90's catalogs (for TSX Equipe frames) so the paint scheme remained available long after its use by the race teams that T-Mar points out. The head badge makes me think its a Euro-market import as the US models typically carried the same badge as the boom period bikes all the way into the 90's. You said Boulder...Boulder, Colorado? If so I'm just down the road in Colorado Springs. Maybe we could do a ride or compare bikes. I could probably tell you more about your bike if I see it in person. And by the way, very attractive NOS Cinelli stems are plentiful on eBay and probably are what came on the bike (but I'd have to do a little research to confirm that).

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Thanks for responding

Hi everyone.

This is my 3rd attempt to respond to your messages.

I want to come to Colorado Springs to show my bike.

I think the head set needs some repair as it seems to be rattling. I don't think I trust the Boulder bike shop.

The champion of world sticker declares "64-67."

cables are outside.

I want a more authenic stem.

I changed the back gear cluster to 32,etc because I felt I could never finish the Death Ride with the original set. I have changed the pedals to Look because I actually ride this as my primary road bike.

I look forward to making this a more authentic bike and riding it in the Phoenix and Stagecoach centuries after xmas. I am very happy to meet other old bike riders===a. riders of old bikes and b. . over 60 years old riders.

I love this bike because it is springy and stiff.

Please keep posting to me

Lin in Boulder, CO

Hi Lin and welcome. Nice ride there. I'm going to go out on a limb with relatively little information on your bike beyond what I can see in the picture and say it's circa 1984 - 1986 and probably SLX tubing. Tubing type should be listed under the bottom bracket shell along with the size. I'm pretty sure the braze-on front derailleur tab came out in '84 and Bottecchia switched to internally routed cables in the top tube in those models in '87. Since yours has a braze-on front derailleur and cable loops on the top tube that would pretty well narrow it down. If the decals mention the 1985 World Championship then it's an '86. If not, check for date codes on the Campagnolo components to determine '84 or '85. Black and white frames were still listed in the early 90's catalogs (for TSX Equipe frames) so the paint scheme remained available long after its use by the race teams that T-Mar points out. The head badge makes me think its a Euro-market import as the US models typically carried the same badge as the boom period bikes all the way into the 90's. You said Boulder...Boulder, Colorado? If so I'm just down the road in Colorado Springs. Maybe we could do a ride or compare bikes. I could probably tell you more about your bike if I see it in person. And by the way, very attractive NOS Cinelli stems are plentiful on eBay and probably are what came on the bike (but I'd have to do a little research to confirm that).

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...The champion of world sticker declares "64-67."...
That doesn't make sense. The World Championship victories were 1966, 1985, 1986 and 1989. Bottecchia did not win a World Championship in 1967. However, the Italian National Championship victories were 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967 and 1985, so I assume you are referring to them. That would date the bicycle no newer than a 1985 model. K89 thinks the front derailleur braze-on came into use in 1984, so that should make your model a 1984 or 1985. You are not going to get it any closer than that, unless you find a 1985 code on the rear derailleur, crankarm or hub locknuts and KNOW that the parts are OEM.
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Hi everyone.

This is my 3rd attempt to respond to your messages.

I want to come to Colorado Springs to show my bike.

I think the head set needs some repair as it seems to be rattling. I don't think I trust the Boulder bike shop.

The champion of world sticker declares "64-67."

cables are outside.

I want a more authenic stem.

I changed the back gear cluster to 32,etc because I felt I could never finish the Death Ride with the original set. I have changed the pedals to Look because I actually ride this as my primary road bike.

I look forward to making this a more authentic bike and riding it in the Phoenix and Stagecoach centuries after xmas. I am very happy to meet other old bike riders===a. riders of old bikes and b. . over 60 years old riders.

I love this bike because it is springy and stiff.

Please keep posting to me

Lin in Boulder, CO
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Hi Lin and welcome. Nice ride there. I'm going to go out on a limb with relatively little information on your bike beyond what I can see in the picture and say it's circa 1984 - 1986 and probably SLX tubing. Tubing type should be listed under the bottom bracket shell along with the size. I'm pretty sure the braze-on front derailleur tab came out in '84 and Bottecchia switched to internally routed cables in the top tube in those models in '87. Since yours has a braze-on front derailleur and cable loops on the top tube that would pretty well narrow it down. If the decals mention the 1985 World Championship then it's an '86. If not, check for date codes on the Campagnolo components to determine '84 or '85. Black and white frames were still listed in the early 90's catalogs (for TSX Equipe frames) so the paint scheme remained available long after its use by the race teams that T-Mar points out. The head badge makes me think its a Euro-market import as the US models typically carried the same badge as the boom period bikes all the way into the 90's. You said Boulder...Boulder, Colorado? If so I'm just down the road in Colorado Springs. Maybe we could do a ride or compare bikes. I could probably tell you more about your bike if I see it in person. And by the way, very attractive NOS Cinelli stems are plentiful on eBay and probably are what came on the bike (but I'd have to do a little research to confirm that).

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Like T-Mar points out, that's the 64-67 Italian Championships and 1966 World Championship. So it's a 84-85 model. I'd love to see it. Come on down anytime, just send me a PM and let me know when you want to ride and check out old bikes.
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T-mar is right

The sticker is for Italian Champion, not world.


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That doesn't make sense. The World Championship victories were 1966, 1985, 1986 and 1989. Bottecchia did not win a World Championship in 1967. However, the Italian National Championship victories were 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967 and 1985, so I assume you are referring to them. That would date the bicycle no newer than a 1985 model. K89 thinks the front derailleur braze-on came into use in 1984, so that should make your model a 1984 or 1985. You are not going to get it any closer than that, unless you find a 1985 code on the rear derailleur, crankarm or hub locknuts and KNOW that the parts are OEM.
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theres a black on white bottecchia just like yours on ebay right now(at least i think its still there) check it out. it says it is made with "cromo" tubing-thinking he meant "cromor". is yours cromor? great looking bike by the way.
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theres a black on white bottecchia just like yours on ebay right now(at least i think its still there) check it out. it says it is made with "cromo" tubing-thinking he meant "cromor". is yours cromor? great looking bike by the way.
The Ebay bicycle has what appears to be a Columbus SL sticker. It does not appear to be Cromor. Nor is it SLX, as the later version of these frames were.
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Are you guys Bottecchia riders too?

I will be biking the Phoenix century on Jan 10 and the Stagecoach near San Diego a little later.

How about all getting together sometime -- like having a rally.

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I will be biking the Phoenix century on Jan 10 and the Stagecoach near San Diego a little later.

How about all getting together sometime -- like having a rally.

Lin in Boulder
I won't be doing any big rides again until Spring, probably Buena Vista, CO century next May.
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