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Old 11-24-09, 10:04 AM
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1970's Luders roadbike(German) info, please

Hi all.

I'm trying to acquire some info regarding the "Luders" bike builder
from the 1970's. All I know is that the guy is from Berlin and
that he made 2 frames in the 70's- 1 for the 72 German Olympic
Cycling team and the other I have not found info on. (I acquired
this info from in France that is a member on Velospace)

Over that past 4 years of riding here in California, I have received
countless compliments on my bike yet no one seems to know anything
about the bikes history. I even went as far as emailing the late Sheldon
Brown prior to his passing. He stated that he knew nothing of
the name "Luders" and that not many bikes made it over from Germany
in the 70's. ( I still have the email)

Specs are as follow:

Frame: 54-55cm w/ Reynolds 531 butted tubes, forks and stays*
Paddle Shifters: Campagnolo Nuovo Record*
Bars: Cinneli Campione Del Mondo*
Brakes: Weinnman Carrera side pull*
Saddle: Ideale deale*
Seat post: Campagnolo Super Record 27.2cm*
Wheel set: 27 in. Fiammes (red label manufactured in France)*
Hubs- Campagnolo Super Record*
Stem- Campagnolo Super Record*
Headset: Campagnolo Super Record*
Peddles- Campagnolo SL 9/16*
Cages- Christophe*
Crankset: Campagnolo Super Record 170 Strada*
Derailleurs- front & rear: Campagnolo Nuovo Record Rear Derailleurs

Pictures can be found in the "V&C- Appraisal" thread.

Any info would be appreciated!!*
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Thanks for looking.

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Here are a few.. . I'll post some more tonight.

Thanks again,

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And another.. .

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I found another from a couple years ago.

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So no one knows anything? Is the bike that rare? Anyone?
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As I mentioned in your other thread, you might want to try posting on the Classic Rendezvous listserv. I know there are several subscribers from Germany there. The CR website also has a placeholder for a Luders (but no content), so at the very least, some people there do know the marque exists.
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I just subscribed. Thanks again, much appreciated!!
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Hi all.

I'm trying to acquire some info regarding the "Luders" bike builder
from the 1970's. All I know is that the guy is from Berlin and
that he made 2 frames in the 70's- 1 for the 72 German Olympic
Cycling team and the other I have not found info on. (I acquired
this info from in France that is a member on Velospace)

Over that past 4 years of riding here in California, I have received
countless compliments on my bike yet no one seems to know anything
about the bikes history. I even went as far as emailing the late Sheldon
Brown prior to his passing. He stated that he knew nothing of
the name "Luders" and that not many bikes made it over from Germany
in the 70's. ( I still have the email)

Specs are as follow:

Frame: 54-55cm w/ Reynolds 531 butted tubes, forks and stays*
Paddle Shifters: Campagnolo Nuovo Record*
Bars: Cinneli Campione Del Mondo*
Brakes: Weinnman Carrera side pull*
Saddle: Ideale deale*
Seat post: Campagnolo Super Record 27.2cm*
Wheel set: 27 in. Fiammes (red label manufactured in France)*
Hubs- Campagnolo Super Record*
Stem- Campagnolo Super Record*
Headset: Campagnolo Super Record*
Peddles- Campagnolo SL 9/16*
Cages- Christophe*
Crankset: Campagnolo Super Record 170 Strada*
Derailleurs- front & rear: Campagnolo Nuovo Record Rear Derailleurs

Pictures can be found in the "V&C- Appraisal" thread.

Any info would be appreciated!!*
I can add only little to what you already have collected; that info is, as far as i can tell, accurate. I can sum up what i found in the CV section of germanys biggest bike bb, http://forum.tour-magazin.de/forumdisplay.php?f=34 (If you want, enlist there and show it to the folks, most speak english and will be happy to look at your bike, maybe some also can add a bit of information)

Lüders (with an Umlaut) is considered to be one of the two top german framebuilders of that era, the other being Rickert, who is a bit better known. Lüders had his shop in Berlin Charlottenburg and built frames for a number of top german riders. Especially his track bikes have a very high repoutation. One of Lüders famous quotes is "Racers never use light frames, only light bikes".
Among the riders who used Lüders frames -often in sponsor disguise- are olympic and world champions Gregor Braun and Günther Haritz (who still is said to own a Colnago-labelled Lüders), also sixday ace Sigi Renz rode one and seems to still own it.
The shop existed roughly between 1966 and the early eighties. The trademark of these frames is the jumping horse, engraved on the seatstays and on the headbadge on white background, as can be seen on your nice example.
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Thank you very much, Martl- I certainly appreciate it!!
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So it looks like the bike is worth anywhere from $1800 to 2100 maybe $2200 or higher.


Thanks to great folks in Germany at the Tour Magazine Forum:
http://forum.tour-magazin.de/forumdisplay.php?f=34

They have guided me to a local bike shop in Berlin that is selling a Luders very very similar to mine. It is selling for 1200 euro. The exchange rate is 1euro = 1.49US

The difference between the listed Luders for sale and mine is that mine has Campy peddles, Christophe Cages and I have an Ideale saddle versus their Cinelli saddle.

Here is the listing for the bike that is on sale in Berlin as we speak:
http://cicli-berlinetta.de/ciclib_bikes9.html

WOW! Thats all I can say.. . WOW! I found this bike in the curbside trash about 4 years ago. At the time all it needed was new sew-ups. I'm in shock!!
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German bikes are the bomb! I have a Rickert. Rides like a dream. By far the nicest bike I have ever owned, and I've had top name Italian, English and French bikes. Your Luders is a treasure. Bikes by Rickert and Luders were custom built for specific riders/racers. Very few made it to the states. Mine came by way of Poland. Happy riding, enjoy it.
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German bikes are the bomb! I have a Rickert. ...
More accurately, "Germanic bikes are the bomb!"

That Rickert and that Luders both look fabulous.
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My Luders does ride like a dream! I came to find out via Tour Magazin forum in Germany that Luders did not build for just anyone and that somewhere around 8 out of 10 orderers we're eventually denied their request.

With learning what I learned today, I am extremely curious as to how my bike ended up here in the states and even more so, why the hell whoever owned it decided that throwing it out on the curb for the trash was a good idea.
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Maybe a GI brought it back and his family tossed it when he passed away.
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My father told me who it was that trashed the bike. The guy lives across the way from my parents.
He looks to be somewhere in his 30's and has the German colors sticker on his truck

Maybe I'll ask him if he knew of anything regrading te bike.
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You have a very nice bike but I doubt you could get more than about $1,000 for it in the US. The one for sale in Germany is pristine and is built from Reynolds 531 "Red Label" Special Lightweight tubing which is quite scarce.

If you found your bike on the curb you might be surprised asking your neighbor about it, you might find out that he didn't put it out, his wife or parents did because they were tired of it taking up space, but it was special to him....

You can buy repro brake hoods for it and some fresh cloth tape would make it look great.

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So it looks like the bike is worth anywhere from $1800 to 2100 maybe $2200 or higher.


Thanks to great folks in Germany at the Tour Magazine Forum:
http://forum.tour-magazin.de/forumdisplay.php?f=34

They have guided me to a local bike shop in Berlin that is selling a Luders very very similar to mine. It is selling for 1200 euro. The exchange rate is 1euro = 1.49US

The difference between the listed Luders for sale and mine is that mine has Campy peddles, Christophe Cages and I have an Ideale saddle versus their Cinelli saddle.

Here is the listing for the bike that is on sale in Berlin as we speak:
http://cicli-berlinetta.de/ciclib_bikes9.html

WOW! Thats all I can say.. . WOW! I found this bike in the curbside trash about 4 years ago. At the time all it needed was new sew-ups. I'm in shock!!
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My bike is made of 531 Reynolds tubing and it is in just as good of shape as the one listed on that site.(as far as I can tell)

The only thing it needs is brake hoods and a new tape job like
you have suggested.
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It is NOT the same tubing, and yours is very nice but not as pristine as the blue one.

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My bike is made of 531 Reynolds tubing and it is in just as good of shape as the one listed on that site.(as far as I can tell)

The only thing it needs is brake hoods and a new tape job like
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If you are considering selling, I have to agree with thirst. And there are two additional issues as I see it: (1) you are in the US, not Germany, and as has been made obvious here, very few people are familiar with the Luders name, and (2) that is merely an asking price at a bike shop. I know of innumerable bike shops that have tagged vintage steel with obscene prices. Many of the owners are collectors themselves, so they don't care if they hang onto the bike for years - they're simply offering the bike at a price they couldn't refuse to sell at.

That being said, yours is a very nice example, and well worth keeping.
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And another.. .

Maybe its just me, but that logo looks a little too familiar...


Ferrari anyone?

Beautiful bike. Im just surprised they used that logo. Especially since Ferrari preceeds them by a long shot. I hope you ride that one till the end of time. Nice find.

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Well Ferrari did it as an homage to a dead WW1 Flying Ace who had it on his plane and the "prancing Stallion" has been used since ancient times on coins etc. This is the city of Stuttgart's crest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co..._Stuttgart.svg

I agree though, the association is automatically Ferrari...

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Well Ferrari did it as an homage to a dead WW1 Flying Ace who had it on his plane and the "prancing Stallion" has been used since ancient times on coins etc. This is the city of Stuttgart's crest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co..._Stuttgart.svg

I agree though, the association is automatically Ferrari...

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...keep in mind, that Stuttgart is the city of Mercedes Benz...
...the first automobile ever was build in that town
and it also hosts that nice litte plant spellt Porsche

...back to topic...

Lüders also pimped Brooks saddles with even higher grade leather.
Those saddles can be recognized by an additonal rivet bearing his name or initials.
Will post a pic of that soon.
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I'm trying to acquire some info regarding the "Lüders" bike builder from the 1970s.
Originally trained as an orthopedic technician, Mr. Lüders built his first bicycle frames in 1962/63. He sold his bike store and workshop in 2001 but kept building frames at another location until 2004 [?].
He was featured in the September 1995 issue of the German bicycle magazine Tour. He is considered a living legend in the framebuilder world, mostly based on his super-stiff track frames and his immaculate craftsmanship.
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