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Old 11-24-09, 03:38 PM
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Univega... All Tange or Hi-Ten...

My buddy has a Univega that he needs some help I.D.ing

Its a brown Gran Rally
-Tange Champion tubing
-Shimano 600 components

Id say looks to be a late '70s or very early '80s

S.N.: K638639

Just wondering if it could be a Miyata (out of curiosity) and if you think it would be an all Tange frame, or if there is most likely some Hi Tensile in there?

He wants to build a fixed gear, but wants something light and racey....

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Depending on the age, could be Ishiwata 022, Tange Infinity, Tange triple butted, "CroMo" and CF in the 90s. All but the CroMo editions (look for a sticker on the seat tube) are very light. 27 or 700c? Pictures help as well. Nothing high tensile. Depending on the size maybe some CrMo forks and stays
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Tange Champion chromoly tubing. Not sure about the fork and stays....
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How does the Gran Rally rank....?
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Tange Champion chromoly tubing. Not sure about the fork and stays....
Tange champion #1 and #2 are close to Columbus SP and Reynolds 531 as far as weight goes #3 and #4 are like Reynolds 501. Reference: http://desperadocycles.com/The_Lowdo...per_Tubing.htm

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How does the Gran Rally rank....?
Up there. Depending on the year, it was their highest ranking road bike in the mid 80s. If this one has the arabesque 600EX group (83ish or so) there would be a lot of people more than happy to buy it from your friend, if he turns it into a fixie
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Is there a way to figure out if its a Miyata by the serial # ?
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where would miyata's chrome-moly triple-butted splined frame fit into all that? i.e., how heavy was one of those frames compared to that list?
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Is there a way to figure out if its a Miyata by the serial # ?
It is not a Miyata, the same way that a Giant-built 80s Columbus Schwinn is not a Giant. (same business relationship). This bike was probably built by Miyata like most Univega bikes at the time.
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It is not a Miyata, the same way that a Giant-built 80s Columbus Schwinn is not a Giant. (same business relationship). This bike was probably built by Miyata like most Univega bikes at the time.
+1 Miyata made them, that does not make the bike a Miyata. From what I have read, Miyata tended to keep their best technology to themselves.
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The subject bicycle was built by Miyata in 1982, but the serial number is high enough that it could possibly be a 1983 model.

I'm not familair with this model and would certainly appreciate some pics. It sounds like a touring model roughly equivalent to the Gran Premio. If so, it is likely Tange #5 main tubes with hi-tensile forks and stays. 600EX would place it mid-range but definitely not the highest ranking.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
The subject bicycle was built by Miyata in 1982, but the serial number is high enough that it could possibly be a 1983 model.

I'm not familair with this model and would certainly appreciate some pics. It sounds like a touring model roughly equivalent to the Gran Premio. If so, it is likely Tange #5 main tubes with hi-tensile forks and stays. 600EX would place it mid-range but definitely not the highest ranking.

Alright cool Thanks T-Mar.
I'll go over to my buddys and take some pictures this evening. FYI,its not in the best shape.

It does have braze ons at the back for a rack. Dont know if they were on most models or just touring.
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Those bikes looked comparable to a 710, A Sport Tourer called these days, they didn't call 'em that back then, not when they were selling them to me. It's a relatively new term.
I remember the brownish ones, 710ish. The 600 was Shimano's second best back then. Miyata versions of the 710s used SunTour though. Could even be 310ish, very similar and as Bill points out, Miyatas weren't nec. identical. The year's what T says it is. He may come-up with more.
Not a full-blown tourer but useable as such to some extent, mine are anyway. YES all but the Raciest had provisions to racks 'n' such. Some had the quicker main triangle/ front end designs like yours is likely to have. NICE BIKES in any case. I'll reserve comment on the stay's metallurgy as with most ....
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where would miyata's chrome-moly triple-butted splined frame fit into all that? i.e., how heavy was one of those frames compared to that list?
Your answer requires hundreds of words. Miyata (& Uni) flip-flopped in labeling and to some extent actual tubing, depending on model & year. As far as the list ??? Not sure how to relate to it. BUT.. MOST Miyatas in the early to mid '80s incl. the 710s & 310s were between 24 & 26lbs respectively.. ACTUAL Wt. WITH pedals. The true racers were 23, the very best 21 IF they were wearing silk tubs. Cats. show you that and accurately. These bikes had six and a half pound frame & forks. The difs. from one Tange or Miyata to another were 2 to 4 ounces per frame. Forks 1024 steel vs chrml. packed-on a couple-few more.
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Never answered the wheel size question, where other answers lie.
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where would miyata's chrome-moly triple-butted splined frame fit into all that? i.e., how heavy was one of those frames compared to that list?
There is no definitive answer to that question. Miyata had their own tubing mill and therefore had the abilityto customize tubes depending on the model. In order words, a STB tubeset on a Team Miyata was not necessarily the same gauge and weight as an STB tubeset on a 710. Having said that, Miyata did tend towards and a slightly heavier, stiffer and more reliable frame.
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My Univega Gran Turismo And Miyata 1000 feel very similar in weight. The GT is a little larger but has brifters and modern 8 speed wheels. The Univega rides more comfortably, or seems to. The Miyata seems a little unforgiving
as far as ride goes. I have been playing with tire pressure and it seems to help, though. The GT is a double butted, and the Miyata splined triple butted. Aside from material, the frames are very similar in build style. I love them both.,,,,BD
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