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Old 12-03-09, 04:41 PM
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Rescued Holdsworth Typhoon - Finished at Last! (Pic Heavy)

I've finally finished building the 1954 Holdsworth Typhoon special frame given to me by Elias_Bland - Thanks Rupert! It's butted 531 tubing with beautiful slender seat stays and deep gloss black paint (the mobile phone photos don't really show the shine). The left chain stay was as curly as a Hetchins or Bates due to an unfortunate accident involving a car roof rack and a car park height barrier I believe. For details on the background and the epic frame repair story, go to https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ldsworths-Here

This was the damage that needed fixing - before and during:









And now the finished bike:











OK, I know it's not "Period Correct" and the pedals are rubbishy old steel Lyotards, but I put it together using what I already had and parts that people kindly gave me (Thanks Viscount!). The wheels are new, but hardly suited although having said that, all 16 gears work although I did have to respace and dish the rear to fit the frame and get a better chain line. When/if finances improve, I'll look to change these for something more suitable. The exciting thing is, I've just taken it for a short ride and everything works fine. The weather here tonight is atrocious so apologies for the dismal photos and the fact that the bike's already coated in mud and salt, but I couldn't wait until summer to try it out. although the frame's technically on the large side for me it's a comfortable ride. I'm really pleased to have been able to restore this frame and put it to use again rather than it ending up in a rubbish skip.

Does anybody have any idea what sort of chain wheel and drive side crank this is? It's all alloy and very light with alloy rings. The chain ring bolts were originally chromed but the chrome had gone so I painted them gold until I can get replacements (they are the same size bolts as a Shimano Deore). I know the left crank os a Stronglight 300 but I was given the chainwheels and don't know what make they are.

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looks great! what was your process for fixing the stay?
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Originally Posted by delicious
looks great! what was your process for fixing the stay?
Bit of a story here - I considered having a new stay brazed in professionally, but the cost of the work and refinishing to original appearance worked out around 300. Expensive for a free frame, I haven't got that sort of spare cash - and it wouldn't be original. I decided to try to do it myself and retain the paint and transfers - it had polished up so nicely! Applying heat would destroy the paint so I tried cold setting. If it didn't work I would be no worse off. The tool I needed was a Park FFS-2 but they are 120 over here in the UK and as rare as hen's teeth!

I started by laying the frame on its side on a carpet with the top braced against my bench and used a hydraulic car jack against the bottom of the two kinks. This gave a straighter but still curvy stay (Still a bit like a Hetchins or Bates but only on one side!) and the drop outs were only slightly more level. At this point my brother in law offered for the engineers at his hydraulic company to take over. The frame was sent back weeks later untouched which was a bit of a disappointment. The message was that the tubing is so thin walled, they wouldn't want to touch it as they thought their machines would crush it flat. This was apparently decided when their head fitter picked up the frame and was surprised how light it was. Probably a good thing really though.

In the end I did it myself. I spent every spare hour for over a month often literally wrestling with the frame in a vice, using levers, wedges, steel blocks and anything else that came to hand to coax it back into shape, painfully slowly. The problem is that you have to bend it past where you want it as it springs back a bit. Then measure in three planes and discover that four hours work has made it about half a millimetre straighter! It was tempting to pick up the big hammer or fire up a gas torch but I really didn't want to damage it after so much work. Finally got the drop-outs in line, the chain stay and seat stay "straight" and the geometry checked out OK with a wheel in. The chain stay looked straight but it still had a slight downward curve of 0.5mm over a 16 inch length when measured with an engineer's straight edge and a vernier. The contour was also slightly different to the other side at the front too. (See photos in grey primer paint). At this point I was considering that it was probably "close enough", but was disappointed it wasn't perfect. I had wrapped the rest of the frame in bubble wrap to protect it while doing this.

Then my neighbour, who is a heating engineer and so works a lot with pipes lent me a pair of his tube formers - solid metal blocks with "U" shaped channels running along their length. By clamping these into my big vice with the stay between the blocks and pulling on the frame I was gradually able to work the tube back the final tiny increments required and it's now perfectly straight!

I'm not at all worried about the strength of the tube as I found out it's a lot stronger than me! Using the tube forming blocks worked out the slight bulges as well to restore the original contour, using the opposite stay as a pattern. I then used a tiny dentist's mirror and a little LED torch to look inside the stay - it's smooth, no sign of any internal distortion. I took all the paint off the chain stay and lower seat stay to check for hairline cracks or splits and they are fine, so I had only to respray those tubes in gloss black enamel over more coats of grey primer to finish the job. It's now finished, looks fine and more imporatantly, it rides straight!.
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This would never happen with carbon fiber...This would never happen if it weren't for true velo-love. You've done a remarkable job.
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I hope you periodically check the area for cracks.
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It's good to see it back on the road rather than in the dump. Great job, I don't know that I'd have the patience.
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Fantastic job! I loved the story, too.
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a tour de force, Bravo!
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Originally Posted by garage sale GT
I hope you periodically check the area for cracks.
Definitely! Although I'm sure it'll be fine, I won't be letting anyone else ride it - I can check the stay while I'm riding and listen for any warning creaks but couldn't be sure that someone else would. Then, if it did let go I'd only have myself to blame. However, having felt how incredibly hard it was to bend that stay back into shape, let alone break it, I'm pretty confident it will be OK, but it would be stupid not to check it visually and run a fingertip over it before and after use, given how simple that is to do and how long it takes to heal.
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Looks great! what was your process for fixing the stay?

This would never happen with carbon fiber...This would never happen if it weren't for true velo-love. You've done a remarkable job.

Nice work!

It's good to see it back on the road rather than in the dump. Great job, I don't know that I'd have the patience.

Fantastic job! I loved the story, too.

A tour de force, Bravo!


Thanks everybody! I was looking for a challenging winter project and didn't have loads of cash to buy a perfect frame, so this fitted the bill perfectly. I learned a lot and the finished bike fits the Holdsworth/Claud Butler theme of my main collection really well. Maybe if I could find a Freddy Grubb in need of some attention........... Oh, Oh - the wife's coming in! "No I really have enough bikes now, dear" !!!
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Fantastic. Wonderful job, that was no easy task!
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Great bike and congrats! So if you decide to migrate over time to another theme parts-wise like you've done with your Mistral, what might it be?
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Great bike and congrats! So if you decide to migrate over time to another theme parts-wise like you've done with your Mistral, what might it be?
Thanks. If I could get all the parts, maybe a mostly late '60's Campagnolo Record set-up - chromed Record RD, plain plate FD, probably keep the Simplex retro friction DT shifters, Early Record nut-on sidepulls with chromed wheel guides, Record Strada, GS or even TA or Stronglight cranks with 46/52 rings, Brooks Pro or Swallow with big rivets & chromed rails, Campag High Flange or small flange record hubs with straight QR levers, Weinmann Elysee 27" rims (or Mavic) with Panaracer Pasellas and chromed DB spokes, Campag Record Strada (or Pista) pedals with Christophe toeclips and red or black leather straps, Italia straight short one piece seat post, keep the bars,stem & brake levers, Allen key seat bolt, Silca or Britannia frame pump, Carrasice Nelson black canvas saddle bag on QR support. That's the pipe dream for now, may never happen but it's a great ride anyway.
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Originally Posted by Oldpeddaller
Thanks. If I could get all the parts, maybe a mostly late '60's Campagnolo Record set-up - chromed Record RD, plain plate FD, probably keep the Simplex retro friction DT shifters, Early Record nut-on sidepulls with chromed wheel guides, Record Strada, GS or even TA or Stronglight cranks with 46/52 rings, Brooks Pro or Swallow with big rivets & chromed rails, Campag High Flange or small flange record hubs with straight QR levers, Weinmann Elysee 27" rims (or Mavic) with Panaracer Pasellas and chromed DB spokes, Campag Record Strada (or Pista) pedals with Christophe toeclips and red or black leather straps, Italia straight short one piece seat post, keep the bars,stem & brake levers, Allen key seat bolt, Silca or Britannia frame pump, Carrasice Nelson black canvas saddle bag on QR support. That's the pipe dream for now, may never happen but it's a great ride anyway.
I was wondering if you were gonna go the Campy route. I really don't know what the primo parts were from the 50's and think of Record components coming along a bit later. Whatever you do that frame you brought back from the brink will deserve it. Best of luck!
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Originally Posted by sced
I was wondering if you were gonna go the Campy route. I really don't know what the primo parts were from the 50's and think of Record components coming along a bit later. Whatever you do that frame you brought back from the brink will deserve it. Best of luck!
It's just an idea at the moment, Sced. I do love older Campag parts and (possibly because of their higher price when new so people tended to keep them) there are still a lot around. I've done the Cyclo/Benelux derailleur thing in the past and also Campag Gran Sport - and although both are nice to look at, the shifting is so much worse than 60's Record or Nuovo Record - in my experience, anyway. I've got a lot of Campagnolo equipped bikes (lucky me) so I'm happy to try Suntour etc. on my latest builds, which have both been British 'day tourers' and have had a pleasant surprise. I've just been given a few old high flange Maillard hubs and Mavic & Weinmann rims so if I can find a cheaper source of spokes in the UK I could start by building a more appropriate set of wheels and take it from there as parts come available. For the moment I'm delighted to have a second Holdsworth! Thanks for your interest. Going back to the original theme of the thread, I wonder if we can persuade Viscount to give us another glimpse of his 1940's Holdsworth La Queldas?
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Wonderful job.Kind of a Zen thing working metal like that isn't it?
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Wonderful job.Kind of a Zen thing working metal like that isn't it?
Certainly absorbing - and fulfilling when it comes out right!
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Another British beauty on the road. Nicely done sir!
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