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Robbie has some very interesting theories about the the Cinelli Centurion

Old 01-06-13, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
maybe in the front of his mind, dissatisfaction wtih the finish quality of the '84 Super Corsa that bore his name.
Just want to say, I have an '84 Cinelli Super Corsa and it is as fine a finish as any other Italian bike of the period. Still my main bike. For the record, it was $1,375. out the door with my choice of gearing.

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Old 01-06-13, 01:19 PM
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AFAIK,

The main negotiations between Centurion and Cinelli were focused on the size and placement of the logo. The result was the 1" logo being placed on the DT above the shifters and on the L chain stay.

Cino Cinelli reportedly spent more time showing Alan Goldsmith his olive groves than dealing with the project, and likely provided introductions all around. He is the one whom Alan Goldsmith first visited, and the one took him to Bussero to meet the Chiricos.

The elder Chirico had been been in the frame business for years, and the Chirico shop produced some SC frames for the North American market. One container load of Equipes were agreed upon. The blue models were likely produced around that time.

One of the younger Chirico's "apprenticed" under Cinelli's frame builder, and worked there for 13 years, leaving in 1984. Around that time, Chirico designed and patented a proces for making forks. I've not seen Cinelli forks with external chromed lugs on any other model.

I've seen Chirico dropouts once, but it's my understanding all the production Equipes were from the Chirico shop, and could easily have been made by the same guy who made SC frames in the late 70's and early 80's when he worked at Cinelli.

As far as the finish quality of the Super Corsa, it was typical Italian for the period, but not as bad as Pinarello or Gios. The Equipe wasn't that much better, but in a head-head comparison of the SC's I've seen, the chrome was as good, the paint was not. I always wondered why Centurion spec'd the same silver as the early SC's, instead of red. Maybe it clashed with the truly awful lavendar and black Centurion decals.

There is also a much more recent thread on these, and a lot of that information overlaps and supplements this thread, which is from 2009. At NAHBS in Austin, I asked the Cinelli rep "do you know anything about the ones made for Centurion?" He surprised me by saying he knew of them, but not much about them; then he mentioned at least two of them that were on BF C&V.

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And then, there are the inscrutable "blues", probably the biggest enigma in the whole mystery of the Equipe.

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
AFAIK,

The main negotiations between Centurion and Cinelli were focused on the size and placement of the logo. The result was the 1" logo being placed on the DT above the shifters and on the L chain stay.

Cino Cinelli reportedly spent more time showing Alan Goldsmith his olive groves than dealing with the project, and likely provided introductions all around. He is the one whom Alan Goldsmith first visited.

The elder Chirico had been been in the frame business for years, and the Chirico shop produced some SC frames. One container load of Equipes were agreed upon.
One of the younger Chirico's "apprenticed" under Cinelli's frame builder, and worked there for 13 years, leaving in 1984. At that time, Chirico designed and patented a proces for making forks.

As far as the finish quality of the Super Corsa, it was typical Italian for the period, but not as bad as Pinarello or Gios. The Equipe wasn't that much better, but in a head-head comparison of the SC's I've seen, the chrome was as good, the paint not. I always wondered why Centurion spec'd the same silver as the early SC's, instead of red. Maybe it clashed with the truly awful lavendar and black Centurion decals.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
I always wondered why Centurion spec'd the same silver as the early SC's, instead of red.
I believe when I bought my '84 SC it was available in black, white, red, blue and charchol metallic, which mine is. I was told by the bike store at the time they had them shipped bare and painted in the US. I assume the chrome was done it Italy. I know nothing of the Centurians, other than thinking it looked like a nice bike the first time I saw one.
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Originally Posted by afilado View Post
And then, there are the inscrutable "blues", probably the biggest enigma in the whole mystery of the Equipe.

J
Yes, I consider the Bussero blues to be "escapees."
Almost all of them have the SC fork, and a slight variation of the Equipe's panto stamps.
None were sent out with any decals whatsoever. The decals are another topic altogether, as there are several variations, many claimed to be on the bike when it was originally purchased.

An LBS here sold hundreds of Centurions, and didn't even know the Equipe existed.

As far as the silver color, I believe the SC started out in the 70's in silver only.
Sooner or later, I'm going to have a new one, in blue.

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Hmmm...now I have to post mine again…
…snip (to save space)
Beautiful bike! …and so refreshing to see the brakes wired up correctly!

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Very informative and intriguing thread Robbie, T-Mar and guys. I do hope a blue one gets posted. I have never known about the Centurinelli's but I can definitely see the family resemblance.
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Thanks for the education!

I recently became the owner of one of these frames, the Orange morph.



Just another minor data point: Mine came with the "equipe" decal on the seat tube, not the down tube. That decal and the "made in Italy" decal lower on the same tube look like they were applied by someone's 6-year-old-kid, noticeably crooked! As noted before the decal work is definitely not up to the quality of the frame work. Mine also came with "Rocky Road" decals applied by a previous owner but easily removed.



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Gary, here's my "blue". Please note that the stem and bars shown were only temporary, now replaced with correct Cinelli items. I'll get around to some new pics one day.

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ICS?highlight=

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Originally Posted by Gary Fountain View Post
Very informative and intriguing thread Robbie, T-Mar and guys. I do hope a blue one gets posted. I have never known about the Centurinelli's but I can definitely see the family resemblance.
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the "blues" look way better
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Funny. I was just looking at one of these for sale.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...522424017.html
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^ wow $300.. someone grab it!

also this link in the ad is cool


after publishing this article I heard from Alan Goldsmith. Among the things he said were, "In 1984, I was working on a new bike project with Cinelli. Andrea drove me to a small factory on the outskirts of Milan that he called Chirico (name of framebuilder), which I assumed was a separate business. I do believe it was a subcontractor and not something owned by Colombus." and also, "One minor error is that I spent around 2 weeks in Italy organizing various aspects of the program. But I only spent one day talking to Cino. It’s unfortunate that the writer didn’t really know about the inventions that actually made Cino famous. Those are well covered in your other stories. The real reason why the price fell from $1000 to $800 was the total failure of my project. My boss at Centurion was pissed and demanded that we dump these bikes ASAP. Now their worth more as rare exotic antiques than they were worth new."


https://www.cinellionly.blogspot.com/...quipe.html?m=1
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Originally Posted by frantik View Post
the "blues" look way better
Here is one of afilado's pics.

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that threadless stem is killing me
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Read the thread. You'll find your relief. ;-)

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that threadless stem is killing me
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Originally Posted by Archangel1183 View Post
Funny. I was just looking at one of these for sale.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...522424017.html
Hrm, looks like the drive side drop might have been repaired in the past?

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Originally Posted by afilado View Post
Gary, here's my "blue". Please note that the stem and bars shown were only temporary, now replaced with correct Cinelli items. I'll get around to some new pics one day.

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ICS?highlight=

J
Thanks for the photo, it does look very nice. An attractive blue for sure and I can appreciate your Cinelli / Centurion build direction. I am a new fan.
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Originally Posted by afilado View Post
Gary, here's my "blue". Please note that the stem and bars shown were only temporary, now replaced with correct Cinelli items. I'll get around to some new pics one day.

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ICS?highlight=

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The only blue I've ever seen with the external lugged fork.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
Here is one of afilado's pics.

And I thought my Ofmega Premier-Mistral /Universal AER/Miche on-going build mix on my Medici project was kinda strange.....
Good to know someone out there also thought that mix made sense on another bike.....



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Originally Posted by afilado View Post
read the thread. You'll find your relief. ;-)

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Kookie, man. What a fun design. Compliments.

Julian

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And I thought my Ofmega Premier-Mistral /Universal AER/Miche on-going build mix on my Medici project was kinda strange.....
Good to know someone out there also thought that mix made sense on another bike.....



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I had never heard about this bike before and now I have to have one! Nice bike and great info.
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whoever dug up this thread, i thank ye
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whoever dug up this thread, i thank ye
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