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Old 12-28-09, 01:34 PM
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Just get a Series 1.5 XKE and be done with it

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Yum. Actually, one day many years ago, I put on my best suit and combed my hair and went test driving fancy cars at the various lots around town. I actually liked the 140 better than the XKE. Seemed a little more direct, less insulated, even though the XKE is faster. I've never been in an XK-120.
Honestly, I'd trade every bike in the basement for any of the 3.
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My dad was into old English sports cars, so I grew up around a couple of old 120s. Damn that was a sexy car. And it must be the most beautiful sound any internal combustion engine ever made when you opened one of them up. He did have a couple of faster cars, but nothing really had the raw physical appeal of the 120.

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Originally Posted by that_guy_zach
I think the Panasonic bikes, mainly the 11.8s and 12.2s will go up in Value along with all the underrated bikes of the 80s.
I'm here to tell you, that they already have. I got my Miyata 1000 and a pile of useful stuff, for my chrome 11.8.,,,,BD
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... confusing to a buyer of the 1970s

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I disagree very strongly. I never wanted to own a Varsity or anything like it, but let's examine some of the technical aspects.

Comparing a Schwinn of that variety with a Columbia reveals many fundamental differences:

The frames were both welded at high temperatures, requiring heavy, thick tubes. But the Schwinns were much stronger. Colliding with a brick wall would typically bend the Columbia frame or fork drastically. The Schwinn would be intact. Huge difference there.

The difference in bearings is major, not minor. The bearing and threaded portions are precisely ground and of very hard steel on the Schwinns. They are of soft, inferior steel on the Columbia.

The rims were prone to bending on the Columbia.

The brackets all over the bike were prone to bending on the Columbia.

The Columbia often came with super-soft steel brake calipers. These brakes didn't stop well and couldn't be adjusted well, even by a good mechanic.

When I started out as a mechanic, I confused the Schwinn with other cheap, poor-riding, heavy bikes such as Murray, Huffy, Iverson, and Columbia. The designs are similar, but the materials and construction are fundamentally different.
Many buyers were confused as well. They did not know the EF frames were different altogether; while I knew they weren't welded, I always assumed they were internally lugged frames; until I read the article on the EF process on Sheldon Brown's website this year.

If you thought the frame was welded, and you realized the bike was heavy, the bike books at the time would tell you that was a cheap bike; one to be passed up like a Huffy or Murray.

But, if well taken care of, they lasted forever. They were heavy, but they were also rugged. They were like the large American cars of the same era: heavy, slow, not great in corners; but nice riding, and built to last forever.
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Exactly. Built not for speed but for durability.

I test rode that Varsity for a few miles. I went down a hill at high speed with no hands. I don't think I ever went so fast riding no-hands. And I don't regret it. I was totally in control.

But riding uphill was another experience altogether.
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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Schwinn road bikes a are... somewhat indestructible.
This.

I picked up a '73 Varsity at the city dump this year and it works pretty much perfectly, despite obvious neglect. It cleaned up good, too.


The other thing Schwinn bikes are: nostalgic. Yeah, there were Columbias and other makes, but Schwinn was the "it" bike of the 60s and 70s.
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The other thing Schwinn bikes are: nostalgic. Yeah, there were Columbias and other makes, but Schwinn was the "it" bike of the 60s and 70s.

Another post on this thread compared them to the old Pinto as a ugly workhorse. I would compare them to the base model Mustang of the 60's.
The Varsity, like the 6 banger auto stick Mustang was made to look like something it was not... a sports car or in the Varsity's case a sports bike.
The base Mustang was slow and it's brakes were over matched by it's weight...
But.. it was new...and it's style was appealing and they made them by the millions and so were relatively cheap.. Ford built them heavy,strong and reliable and marketed them very well so every kid wanted one. In the end they defined the era as did the Varsity.. IMHO
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Originally Posted by noglider
Exactly. Built not for speed but for durability.

I test rode that Varsity for a few miles. I went down a hill at high speed with no hands. I don't think I ever went so fast riding no-hands. And I don't regret it. I was totally in control.

But riding uphill was another experience altogether.
I had this one friend, Kevin, who used to read the stock prices in the newspaper and do other odd things that 13yo boys wouldn't normally do. He probably would have felt that durability was an important feature. Actually he eventually bought a Panasonic bicycle. The rest of us couldn't have cared less about that. We wanted to be fast and cool. And if we didn't know anything about 531 or Columbus butted tubing let alone fine craftmanship in brazing and finishing lugs, we certainly knew that the pros rode European bikes with the same paint scheme and decals as the Raleighs, Peugeots, Gitanes, Bottecchias, etc. that were in our local bike shops.
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Schwinn (road and other) bikes are:
classic
heavy
light
slow
fast
donors
durable
shiny
non-descript
cool
cheap
expensive


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Originally Posted by robtown
schwinn (road and other) bikes are:
Classic
heavy
light
slow
fast
donors
durable
shiny
non-descript
cool
cheap
expensive
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
I'm here to tell you, that they already have. I got my Miyata 1000 and a pile of useful stuff, for my chrome 11.8.,,,,BD
I know. I pick up all the ones I can. I have 2 SLT 12.2s and a Voy 11.8.
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I have a blue 27 speed Tiagra equipped 12.2?,,,,BD
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Originally Posted by Bikedued
I have a blue 27 speed Tiagra equipped 12.2?,,,,BD
I know, I have been wishing I had the extra cash to pick it up. I am just used to buying the cheap, As I am sure you are too.
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Well not to rehash a well picked over thread but.....
https://cgi.ebay.com/Schwinn-Varsity-...item5883d836be

Somebody thinks they are worth a lot! Wow!
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Originally Posted by soonerbills
Well not to rehash a well picked over thread but.....
https://cgi.ebay.com/Schwinn-Varsity-...item5883d836be

Somebody thinks they are worth a lot! Wow!
I bet Bicycle Heaven bought it, so he can part it out and sell the frame for $200 on ebay. I mean, the Alvit is probably worth $200 on its own, so there you go!
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Well, it is clean!
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How may the bidding history on that sale be displayed? I like the Schwinn Varsity, but I can't imagine why a 1973 model would sell for $400, plus $65 shipping, even if it was in showroom condition.

So I guess "Schwinn road bikes are..." sometimes able to fetch inexplicably high prices.
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Agreed, DavidW56. That bike is fun for some purposes, but not $400. I sold one in perfect running order. I wanted $150 for it, so I listed it at $170, and a buyer surprised me by paying my asking price.

Then again, when a bike is very, very clean, it can command a heck of a high price, so there you go.
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There's a guy locally on CL who wants $500 for a rusty chained, split cabled, rotten tired 684. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.,,,,BD

He also has some internal lugged Peugeot with no wrap, for $250....
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Originally Posted by DavidW56
How may the bidding history on that sale be displayed? ....
It's dicknose bikes, he list everything really high and "buy it now". I'm sure he got $400 for that bike, there's a sucker born every minute....
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Great buy! Nostalgia with Durability

A throwback to the days of my youth and surprisingly, most of the bikes I found were in good shape. I found a later model, 2 actually, the 1988 Premis and a 1990 434. The majority of the bikes I saw were both operational, needing very little effort to get them going. In addition, most were pretty good looking.


I am not a "serious" rider, I sought a bike at my doctors direction in order to try and get more a bit more fit. I ran an average of 30 miles a week for most of my 20 year Army career and this contributed to the two new titanium and industrial plastic hips the surgeon installed over the last couple of years at the young age of 60. This stated, I do enjoy riding and the sensation of speed. In my limited biking experience, the Premis and 434 both provide accurate shifting, sufficient braking, etc. other people are surely much more knowledgeable than I when it comes to bicycles (but I think my bikes are way cool).


I freely admit that nostalgia played a huge part in my bike search and purchase. I wasn't in a family that could afford a name brand bike when I was young and I was indeed envious of my best friend who got an Orange Crate for Christmas! I can now afford any bike I want, but I see either of these Schwinn's fully capable of meeting my needs and I think they are just awesome neat! The guy I purchased them from (Facebook Sales Group) said he was selling them from a mini warehouse auction and I paid $200 for them......total. I think I got an awesome deal!


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