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Chas:
The Bertin and Bumblebee Grand Record! Truly Classic & Vintage rides, reflecting the "Soul" of the man who gathered and assembled them. Don

liam7020

Hello, new to the forum but not new to the bike - raced my first Pug back in the summer of '78! Anyhow, I bought the bike pictured locally a few years ago with a view to renovating but just getting round to it now. Anyone care to offer an opinion on which model this is? Judging by the serial number it was manufactured in April '87 but checking through the Peugeot brochures for that year I can't see any models that have the brake cable routed through the top tube. The chrome on the rear ends is original but the frame has been resprayed and fitted with a 531 Renovated decal. The forks have Made in Taiwan stamped on them so don't think they're original!! The frame is off to Bob Jackson for respaying and re-chroming next week so hopefully will be ready to roll next spring. Thoughts on the model would be appreciated. Ta

jimmuller 

French bikes, he asked. (I can't recall if I've posted there here before, but what the heck.)

'82 Peugeot TH8


'74 Champion Team, repainted of course. At least all the subtle clues pointed that way, but it may be something else.


'83 Peugeot PFN-10



'72 (I think) Peugeot UO-8 as it was in 2011, though now it wears some upgrades I first gave it around 1980 and no longer carries the rack or the generator and lights:

juvela

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jim -

thanks very much for sharing all of these.

on the UO8 - 1972 was the first year they came with the NERVAR chromed steel chainguard. since this is missing either it is another year or it has been removed.

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jimmuller 

Oh, I removed it back around '73 or '74 I think, the same time I moved the shifters from the stem to the DT. Later I upgraded the crank to a Sugino Maxy, the derailleurs to Suntour, and the wheels to Shimano 600 hubs with Fiamme Yellow Label rims. It now wears that crank again, the same derailleurs, same hubs with Sun M13-II rims, an alloy seatpost and handlebar, and a WTB saddle.

bertinjim 

liam7020-

Perhaps a Peugeot Pro 10 from the mid to later 80s as they had that type of internal cable and the same location of chrome accents. Try here for detailed brochures.

verktyg 

While not original paint, the frame looks perfait to me.

In the late 80's Peugeot produced a slew of better quality models with the same geometry and design, lugs, and fast back seat stay attachment. Tubing varied from Reynolds 501, 531C, 531P, 753, Super Vitus 980 to Columbus SLX. Components were Shimano, Mavic, mixed French or various Campy gruppos.

The fork crowns varied from full slopping with cast in Peugeot logos to a skinny aero style used on some of the top models. Many of the frames had fade paint jobs.

They made variations for specific markets: France, the UK, the US, the Benelux countries, Canada, Germany and East Bloc.

In some cases bikes with the same model name had completely different tubing and components depending on the market requirements.

I've never seen a Peugeot from this era with the brake cable routed through the top tube. They had braze-on cable guides - on top through 1988 and under the tube in 1989. Maybe that was done when the frame was resprayed?

I'm always suspicious about mismatched forks/frames. Why was the fork changed? Was the bike in a front ender? Did some nimrod put in a carbon fiber fork and loose or throw away the original steel one? Maybe esthetics - the original owner didn't like the aero crown (I don't like them myself)?

When it's into BJ for the respray they can thoroughly check it out for you.

I have 4 of these style Peugeots: two 1988 Biarritz bikes with Super Vitus 980 frames and 1988 and 1989 Chorus models with Reynold 753 frames and Campy Chorus gruppos. I briefly had a 1989 Peugeot SLX too.

I got the 1988 Chorus as a bare frame. Someone had been using it as a fixie. I restored it to factory specs.

Next I found a 88 Biarritz was in almost new condition with a last generation Shimano 600 Ultegra Tricolor gruppo. I liked the ride and handling so much that I picked up a well used Biarritz frame and built it up to use as a rider.

I got the 1989 Chorus from the UK disassembled with most of a Chorus gruppo. It's almost new too.

The 1988 Biarritz rider is my Goldilocks bike. I'd been searching for that kind of ride and handling for 35 years. While the handling is the same between the Reynolds 753 Chorus bikes, the Biarritz with Super Vitus 980 is so much smoother riding!

Have you ridden the bike yet? It should be a great ride.

verktyg 

Merci beaucoup monsieur

While the details on the 72 bumblebee frame are rather bike boom crude, I enjoy just looking at it.

I'm used to the smoother ride and better handling of my sportier late 70's through 80's bikes, after a mile or so I get used to the early 70's feel of the GR.

jimmuller 

I couldn't tell you what model it is, but I'm with v on the paint. That bike looks grand, or perhaps I should say grande. The chrome fork may not be original but it goes well with that frame. (FWIW, my PFN-10 has a chrome fork just like in the catalog. It is seamed so is almost certainly the original. It looks great.)

taguy4

Here's a right side view of the PR-10 I posted earlier showing the upgrades I did to it as requested earlier in the thread:
This shows the Stronglight 104 "Peugeot" crank and the Simplex Super LJ derailleurs, also the better Mafac brake levers. That's a vintage TA water bottle cage, too!

liam7020

Many thanks for your useful comments gents. Taking a closer look at the frame, verktyg I believe you are correct in your supposition that the internal routing was possibly added at the time of the last respray. Careful examination of the top tube reveals a faint outline of where the middle cable eye used to be so that’s an answer to that question. Judging by the weight, 1940g for a size 56cm, the tubing is probably 531C, although I’d imagine the internal cable tube has probably added some weight. I’m a tad disappointed that some numpty has seen fit to change the original spec but hey ho, that’s life!. This frame has a bit of a story/local provenance which I’ll explain a little later when I’ve more time. Cheers.

verktyg 

The better quality UK market Peugeots from the late 80's were listed as having Reynolds 531P or Professional frames. 531P is lighter than 531C.

The next models down used Reynolds 501 CHROMALLOY M which was made of 4130 chrome molybdenum steel instead of the manganese molybdenum alloy used in 531 and 753. Reynolds. The tube sets weighed quite a bit more than 531P or 531C. See chart below.

The top model in the UK was called the Perthus and it had a Reynolds 753 frame. The next model down was the Aravis with a Reynolds 531P frame. That's may be what your frame is???

Note: In the UK the Aarvis name was used on the # 2 model. In France is was a scaled down mid range model and in Canada an entry level bike.

When the paint is removed you may be able to tell a lot more.

Your fork may have been made by Tange (even though it was made in Taiwan). At one point, a number of European bike manufacturers were buying Tange forks.

rmfrance

Here's a work in progress - a Mercier frame I picked up on impulse in a French market, and have been slowly building up. Since I shot the image I've got it roadworthy and it now wears a '78 Brooks Professional saddle.

It remains pretty much a mystery, but is very light and rides beautifully, even though it's on the small size for me.

rmfrance

This is an '86 Peugeot PH501 Ventoux, which I bought largely as you see it - I wanted a nice vintage bike I could just check over and ride. Tyres were distinctly un-classic, and visually the bike would come alive with some gumwalls.
The Simplex gears probably aren't original, and aren't super-smooth, so maybe I'll think about substituting a nice early Suntour Cyclone set. No rush, though...

rmfrance

Finally - for now - here's the bike which got me back into the vintage bike passion - my 15 Euro market buy 1979 Eddie Merckx. It obviously predates his own manufacturing, and was built by the French Stanrnord company under licence.
It might not look too sphisticated, but it's a nice, smooth ride and surprisingly light. To refin the frame or not?
The tyres are a practical puncture-resistent compromise, but fit the bill for now.

jimmuller 

@rmfrance, nice bikes! I have always liked that diagonal stripe pattern especially.

liam7020

Many thanks for that excellent information verktyg. After it's previous refurb, guessing the 90s or early 00s, the frame was fitted with a generic 531 Renovated decal but I do recall getting decals out of Reynolds was like pulling hens teeth at that time!

I reckon the respray and rechroming will be a good 4 months so in the meantime the search for suitable parts goes on. The bike was fitted with a mix of Campag and Shimano but I'm going to re-build with an early 80s component list. Sold on the Mirage brakes and chainset and have managed to find a NOS Simplex 6600 derailleur set, Simplex levers, Simplex seatpost and Weinmann Carrera brakes. I'll keep the forum posted. Thanks again.

fleslider 

Maybe not so vintage but definitely harder to find in the US, as from what i read Peugeot pulled out of the US market in 1990-91 (Please correct if i'm wrong) . cant really find this particular model in the Peugeot catalogs . and only have seen a few other ones in Google search. all being in the UK if i remember correct. anyways a ...

1998 Peugeot Team Festina Replica
This is how it was donated to the COOP i volunteer with


From the components and the other ones have the same are 1998 Camapgnolo and the 2nd digit in the serial number is an 8 im guessing its a 1998 model.

If anyone has more info on this .. please share!

ascherer 

While I do have my PX-10, I saw another Peugeot today that's new to me. I've seen plenty of folders but never with a long wheelbase. Except for a few upgrades (crankset, Pedals) this seems to be original, down to the dealer's sticker from a shop on Long Island I know well. Have you seen one of these before?

greg3rd48 

^ Very cool and it appears to have plenty of varied uses.

I took my PX10 for a nice ride in the warm weather yesterday.
Untitled by irishbx4th, on Flickr

rmfrance

Thanks! They're certainly pretty distinctive, in a kind of 80s way. If you look at the previous Peugeot decoration it must have been more time-consuming to produce, whereas the diagonal rainbow decals would have been quick to apply, and added a more dynamic feel. The silver/gunmetal finish of mine, in particular, would be a bit flat without a bit of a visual boost.

French bikes are addictive, and a lot more affordable than Italian classics (fortunately). I'll post the English Moulton soon, then the Gitane. Someone asked me whether I was a collector, so I replied "I try not to be..". :0)

taguy4

The French sure liked their downtube pump pegs, didn't they! I have them on my current UO-8 and they were on the UO-8 I had as a teenager. On the latter I remember I had a "Number One Pump" to fit the pegs: it was a clear plastic pump which seemed pretty neat at the time.

papik

Very nice Pug, I think it is the "competition 9000" model, with a Pechiney 5086 aluminium frame ; weight, 8,8 kgs, the summit of PEUGEOT bicycles in 1998 ...

juvela

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Thanks for posting.

This is also the first Peugeot folder I've seen with this hinge latching arrangement.

Have a Peugeot folder project in me workshop. Took it in as a partial cycle so it snoozes awaiting some of the folder specific fittings...

Seeing quite a few bicycle trucks in use in my neighbourhood. Often by young families. Oftimes they have wheelbases commensurate with a limousine...

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ascherer 

I thought about the resemblance of this setup to long bikes. I see a lot of them in Manhattan and Brooklyn as well, both for transporting small children and for delivery.

I’d be interested to learn about the thinking behind this design, and whether it was meant as a family hauler. I’ve looked around a little bit but haven’t found anything yet.