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Old 10-05-14, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
Oh c'mon Papic! - That was not your "last purchase" - just your most recent!
- A good looking one too. I think the graphics that year were pretty snazzy, but look best on white.
Indeed Auchencrow, my most recent , not my last ...

In fact , I was searching during three years , such a bike , after I have seen this very aesthetical picture of a Swiss PH10LS in a gallery of art ...

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1974. Needs a lot of cleaning and complete overhaul.

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1974. Needs a lot of cleaning and complete overhaul.
Holy c'c'c'c'Cow, Kactus!
It's a Moto Champion t't't'tTeam!

(-but you probably knew that )
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Originally Posted by 1simplexnut
just bought this tatty old girl . I feel a full restore coming on ! Anyone want to venture a guess as to age ?
My guess is 70's and that the derailleurs and cranks are replacements from the early 80's. I see a bottle dynamo mount on the seat stay. Is there a frame tubing decal?
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I just finished my first restoration/rebuild on my Peugeot U08. I am really happy with it but my wife already claimed it!
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This was a really nice bike. 1971 LeJeune champ mondial, I think... Nuovo Record all over. The Ideale it came with was missing a rivet so the new anatomica was what I rode it with. I sold it and a Tom Ritchey built MTB last year to fund a custom frame and it has all panned out well.
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She's shed quite a bit of her French heritage over the years. Shimano RD, SunTour FD, 27" steelies, Avocet seat and headset, Weimmenn sidepulls, Campy seat post, that handlebar and stem. Not to mention the lack of decals.

The Sugino is a 171, Mighty Comp but I found no pix of TdG with those 3 hole crank arms, plus has those KKT pro ace pedals.

Came with Normandy hub/Mavic rim tubulars, dated 0172, toe clips and straps, not sure about the plugs.
Simplex drop outs, lugs, fork (should be half painted) & crown are TdF consistent. Did see in one of the catalogs that black was an official Gitane color. None of the chips indicate a previous color.

I rode it to work, as is, with the seat way too low, steel wheels, and I was still blown away by the ride.

Was looking for a European chrome moly frame as a winter project & this was on CL, $100 & came with BB tool, crank extractor, freewheel tool, original Stronglight headset, toeclips & straps & a bunch of other stuff.

Got a couple of sets of period alloy clinchers, Campy NRs, Wright saddle, Mafac Racers as a starting point. Thinking of mustache bars w white cork tape. On eBay there are black hooded Mafac levers & a set with white Delrin levers....
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My "new" MOTOBECANE SPECIAL SPORT 1976
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Originally Posted by spiker
On eBay there are black hooded Mafac levers & a set with white Delrin levers....
Uhmmm.......remember that you will be buying the Mafac Delrin levers just for their hoods. Remembering this could mean life or death.....
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Pardon me for being ignorant but did Mafac make levers out of Delrin?? I've never seen any such animal.
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There were some plastic MAFAC levers, but I don't know what kind of plastic they were. They were white.
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Here is a pic of a 1972 Mafac lever with hood, and a newer replacement

The dirty stained hood and lever were original Mafac equipment on my '72 PX-10.
(What remains from the side not wrecked in the 1978 accident.)

The mounted replacement is NOS lever and white hood (seems to be identical to the original).
Think they cost around $70.(a pair) on ebay two years ago.

The white HOOD material is a rubbery compound.
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I got the black hooded set, patina matches the TdF's. After looking at the white pair in more detail & given 4xl gloves are too small for me, I figured one good squeeze & they'd be toast.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
There you go:

Those are MAFAC VILLE 725 levers. The plastic portion of the levers where flexy when new but broke easily after exposure to sunlight and weather. MAFAC also made plastic GUIDONNET levers for randonneur bars. They were scary even back in the day!



These VILLE 715 and GUIDONNET 820 levers were all metal and much safer.



The standard MAFAC 121 and 126 drop bar levers were all metal with rubber 1/2 hoods. 126 levers had small cable adjusting barrels and came with Racer brake sets. 121 levers had larger barrels and were for Competition brakes.



In the mid 70s MAFAC made 820 drop bar levers with the clamping portion made of plastic. They came in black or white and were used on entry level models like the Peugeot U-08. After 35+ years, I wouldn't trust the plastic parts.

Later MAFAC made levers with a different kind of plastic clamping body and full rubber hoods. Campy made similar levers on their lower end levers. They are probably OK.

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New Baby On The Way

Just bought this on French eBay last night....



More to come when the frame gets here in a week or so...


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Well, if it will make us French bike fans feel better. the French was not alone in the very questionable foray into plastic brake lever production. Italian companies like Modolo with their Kronos brake levers and Universal with their similar plastic levers that were usually paired with their AER calipers, were also into it in the later 80's. I'm still amazed how people at eBay ask for so much money for these Italian plastic brake levers....
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Originally Posted by Chombi
I'm still amazed how people at eBay ask for so much money for these Italian plastic brake levers....
Even more amazing, maybe, is that apparently there are also people who actually buy them.

OTOH, I think 'yesterday's tomorrow' is pretty cool, especially those innovations that didn't quite make it in the long run. Plastics were considered new and pretty hot until the seventies. Later they became synonimous with 'cheap' and 'crappy'.
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Originally Posted by Chombi
Well, if it will make us French bike fans feel better. the French was not alone in the very questionable foray into plastic brake lever production. Italian companies like Modolo with their Kronos brake levers and Universal with their similar plastic levers that were usually paired with their AER calipers, were also into it in the later 80's. I'm still amazed how people at eBay ask for so much money for these Italian plastic brake levers....
UGLY TOO! IMLTHO...

Here's the MAFAC Corse 130 Delrin® bodied levers. I don't recall seeing any body failures except from crashes but the cable adjusters broke off from abuse.



Those levers started coming on some entry level French bikes like Peugeot U-08s about 1975. Peugeot worked with Simplex in the early 60s to develop the ubiquitous Delrin® derailleurs (that forever equated Simplex and French bikes in general as being cheap)... So the jump to Delrin® bodied brake levers was an easy one.

The Delrin® parts had to save a few Centimes! A Centime saved was a croissant earned!

In mid 70s we used to import boxed sets of all metal MAFAC Racer brakes. We sold them wholesale for $12 USD a set and made lots of money on them! Shops bought them for a cheap source parts. So, how much did the Delrin® bodies save???

Something else to consider, the intended street life of sporting bicycles was no more than 5 years!

Sometime in the early 1980s MAFAC started making levers with plastic bodies again but it was a tougher, stronger plastic like the stuff used on Modolo and Universal levers.

These MAFAC levers came with black or gum hoods.



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FWIW eBay has 2 of the white &1 black set of the Mafac plastic lever brakes.

Filled the tubulars to see if they held air & they have. Put them on the bike & did a couple miles on the MUP down the street, first time ever on tubulars. Not far enough to make a judgment.

Guy I bought it from said he might have the original stem & handlebar & if he finds them he'd give me a call. That happens & I'll go with them.

Some better shots of the bike.
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Originally Posted by YouthxCrew
I'm drooling over these, gorgeous colors. I've aso never sene or even heard of them in these colors before.
Thanks,the gold is my favorite of the 2 though!
That one also has a Peugeot saddle and pump:
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Can't blame the French for this one. Shiba-Western was the manufacturer.
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If they bother to copy a not so good seatpost design, they could have at least tried to make it look better than that .....uhmmm...thing....
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Was not looking to add another bike - since I do not have much space beyond the four I have but I decided to purchase a 1952 Urago "Tout De France" frame locally through Craigslist and it turns out the person selling it was someone I had sold a bike to a year or so earlier. The price was right and he included a good number of parts with some, such as period CLB side pull brakes and levers, some period French hubs, a suicide shift Simplex front derailleur and some other bits for very reasonable prices and a few items with the frame, such as a Simplex Tour De France rear derailleur that needs some cleaning but functions well. He also gave me some 700c Champion tubular rims with a truing stand and I will be trying my hand at building up a pair of wheels for the first time. We discussed using a cottered steel crank set but he had installed a Nervar cotterless crank and I figured it will most likely never be period correct but at least a decent rideable bike plus they at least looked nice. I will post some images when I finally have the frame at the end of this month but I was wondering about a clamp for the front shifter - he has another new one and was willing to make a template for me - seems a shame not to use it as it is new otherwise, also the mounting boss for the single down tube mounted shift lever broke off between the mounting points on the frame where the screw hole is and I was thinking of trying Jb Weld to secure it, otherwise I may have to try and use a more modern setup with two levers and a clamping band which would mean using a newer more modern style front derailleur. Any thoughts one whether JB might be strong enough? I would like to try and use as many period parts as possible, the Simplex rear derailleur will operate a 5 speed freewheel, we found out that the frame was probably cold set as it was 120mm spacing between dropouts. We measured the inside of the seat tube at 25.5 mm and I understand it was made from Durifort tubing. I am kind of excited to own something older like this in good condition, color is light blue with contrasting black Oscar Egg lugs, bottom bracket and dropouts highlighted outlined in gold. It was touched up a bit sloppily by a previous owner and some of the box lining has worn off here and there but I have all winter to work on getting it to the point where it can be ridden.



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