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Old 01-07-10, 08:53 PM
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ID this carbon bike?

Saw this carbon bike on ebay, is it retro carbon or a chinese knock off?



Thanks for the help.
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Old 01-07-10, 10:02 PM
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one thing that I have learned...if the seller uses the word super light, then it is not.

Based on the ad copy, I'd guess that this is a recent Chinese model. One that has the seatpost stuck...the seller got it twisted backwards with what looks like a vise grip, and then gave up. Hopefully before he broke anything. You can buy a good new Chinese frame and fork for another $150 or so beyond this one...but you'd lose the fun of trying to get the seatpost out.

Does anyone else remember the early carbon fiber Bik from Germany?
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Old 01-07-10, 10:21 PM
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Looks like an Aegis to me, I would vote for early to mid 90s carbon

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Old 01-08-10, 02:43 AM
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Not an aegis, top rube and steer tube are way off, plus I don't think the aegis chainstay is similar but I'm not sure, my guess is new chinese frame.
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Chinese knock off
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Looks a bit like the Kestrel 200 series, but KtotheF would have said so, and it would have been red, I believe.

During that era, Trek's OCLV, the Kestrel's, and some others were into that "airflow" type of frame, so it could be one of those companies that tried and failed to stay around, or a Chinese knockoff of that type of frame.

Without any more info than that, the starting price should be about half that.

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I'm not sure that you can call 'em knock offs anymore, as the Chinese originate a lot of the carbon bikes in the world.
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lets face it, the Taiwanese make the best carbon bikes in the world. In anycase, if the seatpost is stuck you have to ask why. You'd guess it's an aluminum sleeve, which in most cases is a bad thing, these days anyway.
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Originally Posted by PDXaero View Post
Not an aegis, top rube and steer tube are way off, plus I don't think the aegis chainstay is similar but I'm not sure, my guess is new chinese frame.
Exactly, look at the angles and geometry. Looks like it is trying to be, but it is not.
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Old 01-08-10, 10:55 AM
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Agreed, the post appears to be backwards. It may be stuck or may may have simply been turned around to get a the more forward position favoured by many triathletes. Either way, the OP needs to ask. If it stuck, trying to loosen it could break the bond between the sleeve and the carbon fibre.

I agree that the Taiwanese make quality carbon fibre frames. Most of the high end Italian brands source their carbon fibre frames from Taiwan.

This frame doesn't look particularly retro or vintage to me. I'm not sure what it is but it reminds of Tsunami.
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I'm with KtotheF on mid-90's, an awful lot like the Kestrel shown.

Now, with that being said, the aluminum sleeve in that same Kestrel was broken, and the top 1.5" or so would simply come right out. The carbon itself had only a hairline crack at the top about 1/8" long.

One BF member here sent me some adhesion promoter that he uses to replace windshields. I thoroughtly cleaned down inside the carbon tube, applied the etching/whatever adhesion promoter, and let it dry. The next day, I think, I got some windshield adhesive and stuck the top 1.5" of aluminum sleeve right back in there, and it's as solid as steel, easily. The key on those carbon seatposts/aluminum sleeves is to bottom out the seatpost, then trim it so it stays bottomed out. The tube is not very deep, and if the post is not bottomed out, the stress at the top is considerable in fall, etc.

As far as Taiwan carbon frames, are not Kuota from there? They are pretty nice...
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Not a kestrel, look at the routing of the rear dr cable and the cut-out style aero seat tube.
My guess is no more than four years old. Not neccesarily a bad frame but its hard to be sure without seeing it.
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people love knockin' anything thats from China, Taiwan, just about any Asian country, what they fail to see is that most everything they own is made in these countrys! LOL!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post

As far as Taiwan carbon frames, are not Kuota from there? They are pretty nice...
like many brands today all their bikes are made in asia, I think kuotas are actually all made in china.
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Originally Posted by PDXaero View Post
Not a kestrel, look at the routing of the rear dr cable and the cut-out style aero seat tube.
My guess is no more than four years old. Not neccesarily a bad frame but its hard to be sure without seeing it.
I regard Taiwan as the best producers of carbon fiber frames in the world.
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Originally Posted by luker View Post
I'm not sure that you can call 'em knock offs anymore, as the Chinese originate a lot of the carbon bikes in the world.
Chinese does not mean Taiwanese.

Taiwan bikes = very good

Chinese bikes = Xmart

It is changing and probably a lot faster than the Japanese to Taiwanese transition but Taiwan is where you go for the good stuff.
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