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Old 02-13-10, 07:38 PM   #1
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Confente Masi GC on ebay.it

http://cgi.ebay.it/Sport-e-Attrezzat...item2c531722e7

My knowledge of Confente and Masi is very limited and another forum member has raised flags about this particular seller. What do you think, was it made by Confente? That said, nice frame.
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http://cgi.ebay.it/Sport-e-Attrezzat...item2c531722e7

My knowledge of Confente and Masi is very limited and another forum member has raised flags about this particular seller. What do you think, was it made by Confente? That said, nice frame.
What are the flags that are being raised?


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Did Confente actually build a full Masi frame while with Masi in Italy? According to the article at the Italian Cycling Journal, it would seem to suggest that the extent of his work might have been repairs for Masi: "In the beginning, Masi brought work to Verona for Mario..."

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The seller has used inaccurate descriptions with previous bike sales.
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Hey - isn't that Mario Confente in the powder blue jump suit?
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That is Alberto Masi, Faliero's son. Alberto is not the seller.
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It mentions that Confente built frames and stamped the BB with a "V" but the frame shows no evidence of a "V" on the bottom bracket (unless I'm just blind). I'd have to say that raises a huge flag as far as tagging goes. Sounds like "Confente" is just there to draw interest to the frame.
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It mentions that Confente built frames and stamped the BB with a "V" but the frame shows no evidence of a "V" on the bottom bracket (unless I'm just blind). I'd have to say that raises a huge flag as far as tagging goes. Sounds like "Confente" is just there to draw interest to the frame.
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I do not know anything about the seller. He obviously has some ties to Alberto Masi, or is selling the frame for him? I don't think you can ever totally trust the memory of most the guys that were actually there and building these bikes. I do not think they had any inkling that anyone would care about this stuff thirty plus years down the road. And anyone invloved in racing was constantly trying to innovate, not catalog past sucess.

But the bike seems to match what is being said in the description. The lugs are definitely filed more than a standard GC (although not too attractively to my eye). The milled drop-outs are cool and I believe a Mario feature. One thing that is a bit odd is in the snapshot of from the bike show, it looks like it has a chain-stay cable stop on the top of the stay which would not make sense for the under cable routing. The description states that Alberto added the standard guides later when he painted it.

It may or may not be what it is being billed as. But with the fully chromed fork and Alberto paint job it's not really doing that much for me. There's much sexier Confente Masi's out there.
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$2300.00 yikes!
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$2300.00 yikes!
ya. But if you bought a "Confente" Confente frome, it would be at least $5,000. $2,300 for an early Confente built Masi would be a good deal, not a great deal, but still a good deal.
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I do not know anything about the seller. He obviously has some ties to Alberto Masi, or is selling the frame for him?
From what I have been told, the seller is a good customer of Alberto.
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It is 100% NOT a Confente. I know such things as I have proven before.
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The slotted dropouts are cool.
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http://cgi.ebay.it/Sport-e-Attrezzat...item2c531722e7

My knowledge of Confente and Masi is very limited and another forum member has raised flags about this particular seller. What do you think, was it made by Confente? That said, nice frame.
I have to find it, a few weeks ago I found a blog entry from later 2009 for if not this bike it was darn close, about the same size and color. With the image of Alberto with it...
Where this frame does appear diferent is at the bottom bracket, grooves had been cut into the underside of the shell for cables, and the top of the BB cable guides either left or restored...

Curious, and the MA stamp is interesting too...

I will have to see if I can locate the blog article.
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Found it, what do you guys (& gals) think?

http://www.cyclezine.net/2010/03/09/...r-than-a-masi/
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Repchage's blog post brings up some interesting questions for me.

1) is this the same bike? sure looks like it, did one of our San Fransisco collectors buy the frame and then post the blog entry? the ebay sale was Feburary same year.
2)why would Alberto change the frame (i.e. cable routing etc.) I'm pretty sure he knows what would detract from the bikes value. maybe one of our members here who knows Alberto (you know who you are) could ask him?
3)Why does the good doctor think both the seller and Alberto are frauds? (sorry private joke).

and a comment as to the lack of the "V" on the bottom bracket. This is reportedly a custom build by Mario for Alberto, it doesn't seem out of the question for me that the "V" would be omitted.

If this were my size I would have been sorely tempted to jump in, and yes ride it like I stole it.

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Did you see the other bike for sale by the same seller (it's only 5,000 euros) - it has another shop photo.

http://cgi.ebay.it/Masi-Prestige-vin...item2c54249268
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Repchage's blog post brings up some interesting questions for me.

1) is this the same bike? sure looks like it, did one of our San Fransisco collectors buy the frame and then post the blog entry? the ebay sale was Feburary same year.
2)why would Alberto change the frame (i.e. cable routing etc.) I'm pretty sure he knows what would detract from the bikes value. maybe one of our members here who knows Alberto (you know who you are) could ask him?
3)Why does the good doctor think both the seller and Alberto are frauds? (sorry private joke).

and a comment as to the lack of the "V" on the bottom bracket. This is reportedly a custom build by Mario for Alberto, it doesn't seem out of the question for me that the "V" would be omitted.

If this were my size I would have been sorely tempted to jump in, and yes ride it like I stole it.

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In the blog post, not the ebay listing, it shows inside the lower head tube, and the typical four holes that Confente used. Not to say he was the only guy who did this. I am pretty sure it is the same frame, Both are MA58 stamped, both have "cable grooves" under the BB shell.

Mario did on his own do a number of different cable routings and guides on his USA bikes post Masi. As this frame was chromed at the start, and painted now who knows what has happened. Be fun to know if the chrome is in the grooves... One would have to strip it to find out, but it does explain the atypical chromed fork. Rear dropouts as the same on the ebay listing and cyclezine blog post too. I am pretty sure its the same bike, not sure if the older blog confirms where the frame was, maybe never left Itlay.

And I see we even attracted the attention of Realframes.

Loved the joke in #3) above.
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If its the one I just saw on Ebay, the frame looks thrashed. Bulging down tube, bowed top tube numerous dents and dings and the original paint gone. I don't imagine this would repaint very well with the dents and dings. It just seems that it is neither collectable or rideable (for that price).
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And I see we even attracted the attention of Realframes.

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My mistake!
I saw a different Confente/Masi on Ebay #110519175536
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7230 posts in almost 7 years = ...and still immature and foolish enough to insult a stranger.
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2)why would Alberto change the frame (i.e. cable routing etc.) I'm pretty sure he knows what would detract from the bikes value. maybe one of our members here who knows Alberto (you know who you are) could ask him?

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In that I am not so sure. I think there is a different perspective at work. Bikes came back for repaint, they were tools, they got upgrades by request and payment. If it had top of the BB shell cable guides originally which might be questionable on a chrome frame, then maybe it did not have brazed on guides originally. If the grooves are original, then it might be the earliest I have seen this on an Italian racing bike, these concepts start somewhere. If they were added at a later date, then modified again on maybe a second repaint... somebody buy this one and strip the Bottom bracket of paint. Please. Alright, maybe just remove the paint in the grooves.

Patching the grooves could be done, not a big big deal, maybe fill with silver and some soft steel wire, file flush after. Just say no to Bondo.
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