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Is that a chart for 32 or 36 hole wheels? I'm trying to build a 36 hole GH6 to Westrick/Supraseal for a 1974 bike.
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Would some of the krazy stuff be making parts like that for others? I have a 1935 Roadster that is nearing completion- something like that would be a fun touch!
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42 years was apparently enough for the chain on my 79 Tourist. I don’t see too many posts about Raleigh chains on the forum which I take to be a good sign. One thread from 2012 mentioned a KMC Z410 chain as a good replacement for three speed Raleighs. those appear to still be available so are there any caveats to using that chain over any other brands or types?
thanks for any suggestions.
thanks for any suggestions.
Oh, make sure you buy the correct width - 1/8".
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I honestly don't know if it's a substantial difference. I've never seen a chart that definitively says "use these for 36 holes", which leads me to wonder if they just kept using the same spokes for the front wheels when they converted from 32 to 36 holes. I imagine you would have different lengths for the back when they went 40 x4 to 36 x3, but that's another subject. The only difference for the front is the number of spokes goes from 32 to 36. Cross pattern, hub, rim, all the same. Leads me to wonder if I couldn't use the chart as a starting point and just go a size or two up or down...
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I honestly don't know if it's a substantial difference. I've never seen a chart that definitively says "use these for 36 holes", which leads me to wonder if they just kept using the same spokes for the front wheels when they converted from 32 to 36 holes. I imagine you would have different lengths for the back when they went 40 x4 to 36 x3, but that's another subject. The only difference for the front is the number of spokes goes from 32 to 36. Cross pattern, hub, rim, all the same. Leads me to wonder if I couldn't use the chart as a starting point and just go a size or two up or down...
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Got out for an hour’s ride on the Humber just before the rain started….

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I'll pull out the calipers and see what I can do by way of measurements. I actually have two Dynohub front wheels to build this fall/winter - a standard 32 hole and the oddball 36 hole. I've also got another set of Schwinn 3 speed wheels to build using parts I have around. I rebuilt several boxes of hubs last winter, I guess I'm building wheels next... It's never done.
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42 years was apparently enough for the chain on my 79 Tourist. I don’t see too many posts about Raleigh chains on the forum which I take to be a good sign. One thread from 2012 mentioned a KMC Z410 chain as a good replacement for three speed Raleighs. those appear to still be available so are there any caveats to using that chain over any other brands or types?
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I had a 700c wheel built around an FM Hub. I think I posted photos maybe a year ago.
I haven’t been able to ride much this past year. Today I took it out, and noticed gear noise in Normal gear to the point it drowned out the pawl clicking. All the gears work and the other three sound OK. If the gears are loud when they are just idling is that a bad sign for the hub. It seemed to quiet down after I rode a few miles.
I haven’t been able to ride much this past year. Today I took it out, and noticed gear noise in Normal gear to the point it drowned out the pawl clicking. All the gears work and the other three sound OK. If the gears are loud when they are just idling is that a bad sign for the hub. It seemed to quiet down after I rode a few miles.
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42 years was apparently enough for the chain on my 79 Tourist. I don’t see too many posts about Raleigh chains on the forum which I take to be a good sign. One thread from 2012 mentioned a KMC Z410 chain as a good replacement for three speed Raleighs. those appear to still be available so are there any caveats to using that chain over any other brands or types?
thanks for any suggestions.
thanks for any suggestions.
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I had a 700c wheel built around an FM Hub. I think I posted photos maybe a year ago.
I haven’t been able to ride much this past year. Today I took it out, and noticed gear noise in Normal gear to the point it drowned out the pawl clicking. All the gears work and the other three sound OK. If the gears are loud when they are just idling is that a bad sign for the hub. It seemed to quiet down after I rode a few miles.
I haven’t been able to ride much this past year. Today I took it out, and noticed gear noise in Normal gear to the point it drowned out the pawl clicking. All the gears work and the other three sound OK. If the gears are loud when they are just idling is that a bad sign for the hub. It seemed to quiet down after I rode a few miles.
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Look for a 1/8" chain with bushed pins. It will last a lot longer than the bushingless stuff that seems to be all that the bike shops near me stock. You can still get bushed chain from any industrial supplier, or buy/find a chain from a garage door opener. It is long enough to do 4 or 5 bikes, and even one taken from a discarded unit will have little to no wear.
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What a nice bicycle. That Humber is really eye-catching - pray what blue is this? Original? I am considering an enamel job for my '51 Sun Wasp with white piping, similar to this colour but a tad darker.
I run an Izumi 1/8 with my '53 Sturmey FW four speed on the '51 Sun Wasp. The chain packing oil even smells good. It works really well - better than any other chain I've found locally, and its black which feels more true to the period.
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I run an Izumi 1/8 with my '53 Sturmey FW four speed on the '51 Sun Wasp. The chain packing oil even smells good. It works really well - better than any other chain I've found locally, and its black which feels more true to the period.

Your bike looks wonderful!
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When I bought the hub, I removed the cones and driver, resurfaced the cones, filled the hub with SAE30, regreased the bearings with Phil wood grease, and put it back together. I know I had the wheel built during the pandemic. By the time I finished the build, I was basically unable to ride. I am just now getting out now maybe 5 miles at a pop.
I will shoot some oil in before I ride it again.
3speedslow,
When I bought the hub, I removed the cones and driver, resurfaced the cones, filled the hub with SAE30, regreased the bearings with Phil wood grease, and put it back together. I know I had the wheel built during the pandemic. By the time I finished the build, I was basically unable to ride. I am just now getting out now maybe 5 miles at a pop.
I will shoot some oil in before I ride it again.
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