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Old 01-15-22, 08:13 AM
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Well, thanks to the enabling of @thumpism and @clubman, those two bikes are now in my possession. Here's the Raleigh Sports:





You can see that rear hub is "AW Patent" without a date code, which I believe = its first year of production: 1936. I have PDFs of the 1935 and 1936 catalogs, and am not seeing a perfect match, but something about this one leads me to believe that it's all original, maybe even the B17 "made in Great Britain" (though that looks more late 1940s to me)? Wheels are EA3/26 x 1 3/8".

The grips are a brand I've never seen before:


Warren, if you want that stem, email me: lerner dot n at gmail dot com.



Oh, and this Peugeot was the other bike in the lot, some sort of early 70s UO8 variant. Also seems quite original:

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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Well, thanks to the enabling of @thumpism and @clubman, those two bikes are now in my possession. Here's the Raleigh Sports:





You can see that rear hub is "AW Patent" without a date code, which I believe = its first year of production: 1936. I have PDFs of the 1935 and 1936 catalogs, and am not seeing a perfect match, but something about this one leads me to believe that it's all original, maybe even the B17 "made in Great Britain" (though that looks more late 1940s to me)? Wheels are EA3/26 x 1 3/8".

The grips are a brand I've never seen before:


Warren, if you want that stem, email me: lerner dot n at gmail dot com.



Oh, and this Peugeot was the other bike in the lot, some sort of early 70s UO8 variant. Also seems quite original:

I think that hub is later than 1936. There's an earlier version with no date and "Patent Pending" on it. Once the patent was awarded, it went to "Patent". But it still looks like a pre-WWII bike to me. I'd guess 1938-40 period based on the no date code hub with "Patent". It's a great find and a good project to have. It should make a good rider.
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Old 01-15-22, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Well, thanks to the enabling of @thumpism and @clubman, those two bikes are now in my possession. Here's the Raleigh Sports:





You can see that rear hub is "AW Patent" without a date code, which I believe = its first year of production: 1936. I have PDFs of the 1935 and 1936 catalogs, and am not seeing a perfect match, but something about this one leads me to believe that it's all original, maybe even the B17 "made in Great Britain" (though that looks more late 1940s to me)? Wheels are EA3/26 x 1 3/8".

The grips are a brand I've never seen before:


Warren, if you want that stem, email me: lerner dot n at gmail dot com.



Oh, and this Peugeot was the other bike in the lot, some sort of early 70s UO8 variant. Also seems quite original:

That's the most interesting Raleigh I've seen in a while. This is pre-hockey stick and models without chaincases had bare chainrings. I have to find my backup files with catalogs and load em into this new computer. I don't remember when the hockey sticks started. Post war I think. Anyway...I'm done with projects and I have a pre-war Raleigh stem in good condition.
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Old 01-16-22, 08:22 AM
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That's the most interesting Raleigh I've seen in a while. This is pre-hockey stick and models without chaincases had bare chainrings. I have to find my backup files with catalogs and load em into this new computer. I don't remember when the hockey sticks started. Post war I think. Anyway...I'm done with projects and I have a pre-war Raleigh stem in good condition.
Thanks, BC! I have this stem in my bin that came off a ‘37 Sports that had spent many decades in someone’s back yard:



Could be a good candidate for one of those DIY plating kits once I sand off all the corrosion?

To complicate matters, I asked a knowledgeable friend about the rear hub, and he’s fairly convinced that it’s from 1946. Hmm. Here's the Sports page from the 1947-48 Raleigh UK catalog. Lots of hits, except for wheel size: Mine has EA3 or 26 1 3/8" Dunlop rims (and stainless spokes), not EA1 or 26 x 1 1/4".

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Thanks, BC! I have this stem in my bin that came off a ‘37 Sports that had spent many decades in someone’s back yard:



Could be a good candidate for one of those DIY plating kits once I sand off all the corrosion?

To complicate matters, I asked a knowledgeable friend about the rear hub, and he’s fairly convinced that it’s from 1946. Hmm. Here's the Sports page from the 1947-48 Raleigh UK catalog. Lots of hits, except for wheel size: Mine has EA3 or 26 1 3/8" Dunlop rims (and stainless spokes), not EA1 or 26 x 1 1/4".
Got my catalogs back! Seems like the modern deep mudguards didn't appear until the 1940 catalog. Odd that the ladies light roadster came with the chainguard but the gents didn't.

So for 1940 it would have had the stem mounted lamp bracket. Here's what I have in my box of goodies.


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Odd that the ladies light roadster came with the chainguard but the gents didn't.
To protect the skirts!
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Thanks, BC! I have this stem in my bin that came off a ‘37 Sports that had spent many decades in someone’s back yard:



Could be a good candidate for one of those DIY plating kits once I sand off all the corrosion?

To complicate matters, I asked a knowledgeable friend about the rear hub, and he’s fairly convinced that it’s from 1946. Hmm. Here's the Sports page from the 1947-48 Raleigh UK catalog. Lots of hits, except for wheel size: Mine has EA3 or 26 1 3/8" Dunlop rims (and stainless spokes), not EA1 or 26 x 1 1/4".
1946 for the hub is certainly also possible, but with a 46 bike, I would expect some blackout type parts too. I have found most of the no date hubs that I have come across to be right before and right after WW2.
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I should have mentioned since the catalog image is so small here...The 1940 catalog lists 1 3/8" tires for the Light Roadster.
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451 rims and a non-folding frame? Were these features ever offered outside the UK market on the Twenty? Don't recall offhand.

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Here is an interesting old 3 speed for $40 in Athens GA (where Univ of Georgia is located)
It is one of those late sixties/very early seventies models with the large center stick shift.... that proved to be somewhat potentially dangerous in accidents and the consumer products safety council campaigned to educate the public and pressure the bike manufacturers to eliminate such shifters.
It appears that the seller believes it may be an AMF (but it clearly is appears badged as AMC Flash), but the cottered 3 piece crank may be indicative that it is probably not of AMF manufacture, and probably was made by some other maker and specifically model named for some once existing retail chain.

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