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01-30-22, 08:16 PM
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I'm really liking that green Columbia. I'm away from the northeast till March. I'll ask him if he'll hold it for me if I pay now. I have Raleigh, Humber, Rigby, Hercules, Western Flyer, Hiawatha, AMF, Ross, Huffy 3 speed bikes but no Columbia. i may need therapy.
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Unusual Raleigh/Triumph and may have been a transitional Canadian bike. Here's a 73 Triumph sold in Halifax. In fact, I don't remember seeing many Canadian Triumphs after the mid 70's
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I've never seen those pedals after 1970ish. That's an outlier.
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Originally Posted by clubman
I've never seen those pedals after 1970ish. That's an outlier.
I know some people dislike them but I like them. They add a different look to the bike... just my opinion..
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Originally Posted by clubman
I've never seen those pedals after 1970ish. That's an outlier.
Correction - if this is a '75, that changes a lot...
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The rims are marked Sturmey Archer... 26x1 3/8
Originally Posted by oldspokes
Although it may be different on a Canadian built bike, but the Triumph bikes I run across here usually have a generic 3 spoke chainring and ball bearing pedals.
On English built bikes, I was under the impression that those pedals were also a late 60's thing, maybe even as late as '70 but our mid 70's bikes all had reflectorized pedals with bearings.
If I ran across that here I'd likely just assume it was either put together from spare parts or at the very least had a crank set swap at some point.
I see its got 36/36h wheels, what branding is on the rims on that bike? Dunlop? Sturmey Archer? or other?
On English built bikes, I was under the impression that those pedals were also a late 60's thing, maybe even as late as '70 but our mid 70's bikes all had reflectorized pedals with bearings.
If I ran across that here I'd likely just assume it was either put together from spare parts or at the very least had a crank set swap at some point.
I see its got 36/36h wheels, what branding is on the rims on that bike? Dunlop? Sturmey Archer? or other?
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Originally Posted by brianhamp
The rims are marked Sturmey Archer... 26x1 3/8
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Curiously, where's the serial number on this one? Back of the seattube, on the seatlug, or somewhere unique to the Canadian-built bikes?
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Originally Posted by cudak888
IIRC, the simplified Heron chainrings didn't show up until 1973-74ish.
My bet is that the crankset is a replacement from BITD, but the original nylon platform pedals were fitted to it.
Correction - if this is a '75, that changes a lot...
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Correction - if this is a '75, that changes a lot...
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Originally Posted by brianhamp
I am thinking it is a 1975... The Sturmey Archer AW hub is dated 75-9..
Perhaps the pedals are old stock in this case, and the crankset used because that was on hand. Also explains the funky later decals.
I'm not surprised about the Endrick rims though. Pretty much standard fare for all the TI-era secondary brands; no reason a later model should vary from that trend.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
So far, the pedals, not the crankset (as I thought) are the only outlier, as @clubman pointed out. What's the first digit after "RK?" (R = Canada / K = July)
Perhaps the pedals are old stock in this case, and the crankset used because that was on hand. Also explains the funky later decals.
I'm not surprised about the Endrick rims though. Pretty much standard fare for all the TI-era secondary brands; no reason a later model should vary from that trend.
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Perhaps the pedals are old stock in this case, and the crankset used because that was on hand. Also explains the funky later decals.
I'm not surprised about the Endrick rims though. Pretty much standard fare for all the TI-era secondary brands; no reason a later model should vary from that trend.
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Are Endrick rims the same as Sturmey Archer rims? These are marked Sturmey Archer.
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Originally Posted by brianhamp
The serial number is RK678869.
Are Endrick rims the same as Sturmey Archer rims? These are marked Sturmey Archer.
Are Endrick rims the same as Sturmey Archer rims? These are marked Sturmey Archer.
Endrick is just a name for the box section rim type (vs. the raised center Westricks or Westwoods).
1950's rims are usually marked Raleigh or Dunlop, and by the 1970's, they were labeled Sturmey-Archer instead. Standard equipment for a Raleigh-made machine.
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Thank you for all the information... Greatly appreciated for sure...
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I believe that Canadian made Raleighs were more assembled/painted in Canada from parts supplied.
There were some complicated tariffs imposed at the time.
I have a Canadian Superbe and the only difference is the shade of green used.
It's a 1978 model and it's more of a "forest" green as to what I would call "olive" green
on the British version.
This is the first 3 speed I bought years ago that started the obsession...Purchased from a guy up the street several years ago, this is my everyday work bike and gets the most use.
It also gets the most attention. Last year all the bearings were re-packed and new cables installed in the original ribbed housings.
Tires and brakes are newish as well.
There were some complicated tariffs imposed at the time.
I have a Canadian Superbe and the only difference is the shade of green used.
It's a 1978 model and it's more of a "forest" green as to what I would call "olive" green
on the British version.
This is the first 3 speed I bought years ago that started the obsession...Purchased from a guy up the street several years ago, this is my everyday work bike and gets the most use.
It also gets the most attention. Last year all the bearings were re-packed and new cables installed in the original ribbed housings.
Tires and brakes are newish as well.
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01-31-22, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cudak888
IIRC, the simplified Heron chainrings didn't show up until 1973-74ish.
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We're in the middle of winter here. I'm doing some routine maintenance and adding retro LED lights to my three speeds. Here is a 1960s Schwinn Racer and a 1950 Schwinn Superior in for routine cleaning and to get the LED lights installed.
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Isn't Savoy a Japanese brand? That looks like a Shimano rear hub, I see a black left dust cover.
I seem to remember Savoy being somehow related to the Royce Union brand bikes in the 70's?
I had one years ago that I trash picked, I should have left it where I found it. Super heavy, cheap looking unilug headtube, Shimano 333 rear hub, off brand brakes that bent the first time I used them, and rims and chrome bits that rusted in minutes in the rain.
I seem to remember Savoy being somehow related to the Royce Union brand bikes in the 70's?
I had one years ago that I trash picked, I should have left it where I found it. Super heavy, cheap looking unilug headtube, Shimano 333 rear hub, off brand brakes that bent the first time I used them, and rims and chrome bits that rusted in minutes in the rain.
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I moved some of my hubs from rubbermaid containers and old cardboard boxes to some small white boxes.
A good way to occupy myself on a snowy saturday. Makes it alot easier to find things..
Hubs in boxes
Hubs in boxes
A good way to occupy myself on a snowy saturday. Makes it alot easier to find things..
Hubs in boxes
Hubs in boxes
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Originally Posted by brianhamp
Hubs in boxes
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That’s alotta hubs! Nice!
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While this is none of my f'n business, having had to unfortunately deal with 4 estates in the past 2 years, I hope all of the folks that have amassed such amazing collections of parts have a *written* plan for what to do with them in the event of their passing on. I can tell you through personal experience it is not easy as the executor who may not be involved in a hobby/vocation as deeply as the deceased to do justice to distributing years of collected treasures. And when dealing with the grief of losing a loved one decisions such as "toss it all out" are far too common.
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Originally Posted by clubman
Wow, quite a collection Brian. I feel better, knowing I'm not the only guy with more hubs than I'll ever need.
Need or even want.. These are some of the ones I would like to keep. The ones I dont want haven't made it to little white boxes.
Will be doing a spring clear out here soon.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
That’s alotta hubs! Nice!
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