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Old 12-16-23, 08:35 AM
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I posted this in the December thread and emphasized there that I don't need the bike, my last score from the old co-op's junk pile, so I'm also mentioning here that it's taking up space. If anyone wants to swing by and pick it up, please feel free to do so. I gave away a newer and nicer one to a niece so I hope someone can use this one. No time for me to work on it; I have two more in my size that need attention in addition to multiple other wheeled and non-wheeled projects. PM to pursue this.


There was one at the local flea market last week in half that condition, the guy was asking $300. It was gone by the end of the day, not sure how much he sold it for but he turned down $200 while I was standing there.

I've always wondered if all the $300 department store bikes ever actually sell on CL and FB, there's certainly no shortage of them lately.
The good bikes go cheap, no one seems to remember what a decent bike was like.
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Old 12-18-23, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclespanner

A Bell Systems crimper is often recommended for ferules.
But which type/model of crimper?
Anyone got a photo of one.
Doubt if the US product is available here in the UK.
With a photo I may be able to find something similar here.
There are a variety of Bell Systems/Nicopress Crimpers out there.
Not sure I can help, but I have one like this:
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I think I paid about $10 for mine.
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Originally Posted by gna
There are a variety of Bell Systems/Nicopress Crimpers out there.
Not sure I can help, but I have one like this:
Nicopress

I think I paid about $10 for mine.
Ah, that's a big help , thank you.
Now I know what type of hens tooth to look for.
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It looks about a '67? I did not know GB brakes appeared on Raleigh Sports. Thanks for saving this one. The red should look stunning pretty soon.
Both hubs stamped 65 6, which means it's from the models first year.
Frame a lovely metalic red with very few blemishes, though decals rubbed.
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All chrome recoverable, minimal surface rust.
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A good lube job, thorough wash and polish and should be ready for a new lifetime of service.
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For shifter cables and double-ended brake cables (Raleigh type), I use a Bell Systems Model B crimper. I've seen the Model D used for brake cables as well, but I get a tighter fit with the Model B.

I would think you could order one from the US if you needed. They're not a large hand tool. They're like the size of a set of 6 inch handle wire cutters, roughly.''

Edit - a final note: the Bell Crimpers have a compound compression, which I think is helpful for really getting the ends onto the cables.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
For shifter cables and double-ended brake cables (Raleigh type), I use a Bell Systems Model B crimper. I've seen the Model D used for brake cables as well, but I get a tighter fit with the Model B.

I would think you could order one from the US if you needed. They're not a large hand tool. They're like the size of a set of 6 inch handle wire cutters, roughly.
Thank you.
A brief UK search reveals one or two similar tools, though they ain't cheap!
The killer with ordering from the US is shipping.
Wonder if a forum member could source one and look into what the shipping would cost?
Please PM me if you can help.

EDIT: Got one of these (11)....


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Unfortunately not. The great wealth and industrial production was at the expense of worker's well-being. The average Joe's diet had very little good protein - it still hasn't.
The current Queen is less than 5 foot tall. Queen Victoria was 2 inches shorter . I doubt either ever went hungry.
Sorry to delve into this old theme.....
I was born 1955 in Yorkshire and at best got to 5' 7'' and ate well.
My brother, born in 1959, lived on rice pudding and french fries into his teens, never touched anything green, yet turned into a 6' 2'' bruiser!
Dad, a coal miner was 5' 7'', mum 5' 5''. No one in the family except my brother was over 5' 7''.
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Does anyone know how to obtain a key for the raleigh sport 3 spdfork. I am restoring one currently that has the keyed fork but no key. A woman whose husband just died donated his old Raleigh to the bike Exchange and asked if she could have first right of refusal to purchase it back when we sell it. I am doing a mechanical resto including a clear coat to lock in the nice patina and would like to be able to give her a key for the fork.
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Unfortunately I can't help, but this topic has been covered within this thread.
From what II remember it is still possible to buy a key, but you'd have to locate the locks serial number.
Alternatively, any decent locksmith should be able to sort your problem.

Use the search box 'Raleigh fork lock key'.
There's several responses.

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I've gotten keys in the past for Raleigh fork locks by getting the lock code number and buying the keys from Steve's Lock Shoppe in Texas. He does mostly car keys, but he's has done bicycle keys for me.

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Originally Posted by capnjonny
Does anyone know how to obtain a key for the raleigh sport 3 spdfork. I am restoring one currently that has the keyed fork but no key. A woman whose husband just died donated his old Raleigh to the bike Exchange and asked if she could have first right of refusal to purchase it back when we sell it. I am doing a mechanical resto including a clear coat to lock in the nice patina and would like to be able to give her a key for the fork.
You can find them on eBay, such as this:
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I've bought several of them and they've worked fine.
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Does anyone own a "lightweight tourist" three or four speed? I have noticed that nearly all of the English manufacturers who produced Reynolds 531 framed lightweight clubman models such as the Raleigh Lenton in the post war period usually produced a tourist version often the same bike with flat bars and a chainguard. As someone who is averse to drop handlebars these models are quite appealing to me but are quite rare and difficult to replicate due to their unique decals which are often unavailable now, the ultimate has to be the Raleigh RRA but I have only ever found photos of one tourist and that was a ladies model, I have seen a Lenton Tourist in the flesh and rather like the look of the Hercules Kestrel in green with white panels but have only ever seen an advertising drawing of one.



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Ooo!
A model I wasn't aware of but will look out for info on them.
I recently bought a NOS Brooks saddlebag just as illustrated.
This certainly ads a little authenticity; I know the Carradice bags are popular, but to me they are too much of a 'bag' looking,
Now looking for a bag support (or make one)..

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''Three-speed, 531, tourist, English manufacture? Amazingly enough, available brand new. Pashley Kingsman:''

Had a look at the Pashley web sight, which mentions nothing about weight.
Like all their products, I have no doubt the 'Kingsman' will be substantially heavier than the 'Rivierra' I bought recently for 31.
And 1200.

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Originally Posted by Small cog
Does anyone own a "lightweight tourist" three or four speed? I have noticed that nearly all of the English manufacturers who produced Reynolds 531 framed lightweight clubman models such as the Raleigh Lenton in the post war period usually produced a tourist version often the same bike with flat bars and a chainguard. As someone who is averse to drop handlebars these models are quite appealing to me but are quite rare...
Three-speed, 531, tourist, English manufacture? Amazingly enough, available brand new. Pashley Kingsman:



The omission of an X-FDD is unfortunate, but given the reality of today's supply chains, forgivable.
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Three-speed, 531, tourist, English manufacture? Amazingly enough, available brand new. Pashley Kingsman:



The omission of an X-FDD is unfortunate, but given the reality of today's supply chains, forgivable.
I rather like the Pashley Morgan 3 but not the modern components, bah humbug! and asked them if they would sell me a frameset so I could build it up with vintage SA components but the answer was no.

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I love lightweight tourist bikes. They fall in between a club/sporting model and a regular light roadster. I've got three bikes like that now - 1949 Clubman, 1951 Silver Arrow, 1953 Lenton. These started as drop bar bikes but I prefer swept back or North Road type bars. I think it's an overlooked kind of bike that has a lot to offer if you like upright type bars. If you have a good frame to start with, it's not too difficult to build one up if you cannot find an original. The originals are unusual to find today, but building one can make an excellent bike.

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Originally Posted by Small cog
Does anyone own a "lightweight tourist" three or four speed? I have noticed that nearly all of the English manufacturers who produced Reynolds 531 framed lightweight clubman models such as the Raleigh Lenton in the post war period usually produced a tourist version often the same bike with flat bars and a chainguard. As someone who is averse to drop handlebars these models are quite appealing to me but are quite rare and difficult to replicate due to their unique decals which are often unavailable now, the ultimate has to be the Raleigh RRA but I have only ever found photos of one tourist and that was a ladies model, I have seen a Lenton Tourist in the flesh and rather like the look of the Hercules Kestrel in green with white panels but have only ever seen an advertising drawing of one.


A friend of mine has one. It was built custom for the original owner (he is the second; bought it for his wife). Its the shortest frame size they made and is a men's frame. All of the parts that you expect to see on a regular Raleigh Sports that are in steel were made with alloy on this bike, right down to the brake calipers and crankset. So it looks like a 50s Raleigh Sports but is made with Reynolds 531 and alloy parts.

I have a Rudge Pathfinder built up in a similar fashion
The ride is quite regal owing to the geometry. The saddle is a Brooks B72 rebuilt by Rudi Mayr.
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Originally Posted by Salubrious
A friend of mine has one. It was built custom for the original owner (he is the second; bought it for his wife). Its the shortest frame size they made and is a men's frame. All of the parts that you expect to see on a regular Raleigh Sports that are in steel were made with alloy on this bike, right down to the brake calipers and crankset. So it looks like a 50s Raleigh Sports but is made with Reynolds 531 and alloy parts.

I have a Rudge Pathfinder built up in a similar fashion
The ride is quite regal owing to the geometry. The saddle is a Brooks B72 rebuilt by Rudi Mayr.
A nice looking Rudge and yes the RRA was a bespoke build with a choice of colours, decals and components many of them being unique to that model, I read somewhere that you ordered one then waited up to a year for delivery.
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Originally Posted by Small cog
A nice looking Rudge and yes the RRA was a bespoke build with a choice of colours, decals and components many of them being unique to that model, I read somewhere that you ordered one then waited up to a year for delivery.
Yes- the story I heard on my friend's machine is it took 2 years.
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Originally Posted by Small cog
Does anyone own a "lightweight tourist" three or four speed?
I don't, but on my List of Projects I'll Never Get Around To, I've had thoughts of taking a 70's era Raleigh ten speed, at least one of the better frames (Super Course MK II upward) and making it a three speed of some sort. Those bikes are a lot easier to find than the earlier rarified British lightweights.

I once had the opportunity to buy an early 60's ten speed Lenton for cheap, but passed. The guy selling it told me the original owner toured Europe on it and applied an oval country sticker for each nation they toured. But someone in the interim peeled those stickers, leaving a wrecked paint job.
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Making bicycles 'isn't rocket science' as we used to be so fond of saying.

There's been 2 Lenton frames on UK ebay during the last week at reasonable prices.

So it's not impossible to build a lightweight tourist to your own spec, using mainly a wide variety of used lightweight components (no shame in that) at a real discount.

It's also possible to build a frame from scratch, but I doubt that would be economical, if not overly so.

Of course none of these solutions are the authentic 'real thing', but your build would be unique and be undoubtedly a 'real thing'.
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Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
Making bicycles 'isn't rocket science' as we used to be so fond of saying.
Is this directed at me, or someone else?
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
Is this directed at me, or someone else?
You may have noticed I hadn't quoted your post.

Of course my contribution is not specifically directed at you, merely me adding my own thoughts on this 'lightweight tourist' theme.

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Originally Posted by Cyclespanner
You may have noticed I hadn't quoted your post.
I did notice, but that doesn't necessarily matter, as many folks on BF don't quote when they're directly responding to something. Not saying that's you though. I just wanted to double-check, since yours came right after mine.

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