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Old 03-03-13, 03:40 AM
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A recent refurb. . .


I feel like whitewalls are out of place on a Raleigh but they work here IMO. The brown seat works, and is generally comfy for an upright ride but I hate the branding all over it. Anyone have a good source for mattress saddles? I cant afford to don my flips with leather saddles, but if a new repro mattress saddle could be had cheap enough i'd be all for it.
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Originally Posted by PHT
A recent refurb. . .


I feel like whitewalls are out of place on a Raleigh but they work here IMO. The brown seat works, and is generally comfy for an upright ride but I hate the branding all over it. Anyone have a good source for mattress saddles? I cant afford to don my flips with leather saddles, but if a new repro mattress saddle could be had cheap enough i'd be all for it.
White Walls came stock on several bikes in the Raleigh utility line in the 1950s and 1960s, so some indeed came with them from the factory. Are those the Duro brand white walls? I am using them on a Raleigh Dawn that I'm working on currently. I think they actually come in a couple different tread types even.
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40 spokes to 36... Anyone have a definitive answer?

I picked up a parts bike this weekend and I was surprised to find that the rear wheel had 40 spokes instead of 36; this on a bike that appears to be an all-original [and very weathered, 1972 model Raleigh Sports]

We own several Sports of this era [70's] and several Raleigh sub-brands of the era, and this is the first one I have come across that had the 40 spoke hub.

Does anyone know if there's a definitive guide to when the changeover took place? FWIW, this doesn't appear to be a Canadian or British model either; here are pics for info:

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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
40 spokes to 36... Anyone have a definitive answer?

I picked up a parts bike this weekend and I was surprised to find that the rear wheel had 40 spokes instead of 36; this on a bike that appears to be an all-original [and very weathered, 1972 model Raleigh Sports]

We own several Sports of this era [70's] and several Raleigh sub-brands of the era, and this is the first one I have come across that had the 40 spoke hub.

Does anyone know if there's a definitive guide to when the changeover took place? FWIW, this doesn't appear to be a Canadian or British model either; here are pics for info:

AFAIK. they changed from 40 spokes in '73
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Might as well add my "new" 3 speed to this thread. 1955 Rudge Galaxie:



Hopefully I'll be posting the "After" picture in a few months.
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Originally Posted by Miyata110
Might as well add my "new" 3 speed to this thread. 1955 Rudge Galaxie:



Hopefully I'll be posting the "After" picture in a few months.
Good thing I didn't find that first Miyata! That's a very cool 3-spd, and of course it's got the red hand of Ulster!
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
AFAIK. they changed from 40 spokes in '73
Wow have I got egg on my face; just went in there and counted the spokes on my wife's '72 Sports and you are right; 40 of 'em...

I better start being more precise or it's gonna cost me LOL!
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
White Walls came stock on several bikes in the Raleigh utility line in the 1950s and 1960s, so some indeed came with them from the factory. Are those the Duro brand white walls? I am using them on a Raleigh Dawn that I'm working on currently. I think they actually come in a couple different tread types even.
They are the cheapo Sunlites.
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Alex is at it again!

Where does he find these...?

They are stunning; and the jpegs he has on Photobucket are a goldmine...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Orig...item2c6ce51820

https://s47.beta.photobucket.com/user...orts?start=all

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NOTE: The above 1959 Raleigh Sports matching pair were apparently special ordered with the new-for-1959 Sturmey-Archer TCW coaster brake hub.

See: https://s47.beta.photobucket.com/user...l?sort=6&o=344
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Those are nice pictures, but $12,000 for a bicycle is silly.
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See, now I thought the horns were the silly part
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Originally Posted by noglider
Those are nice pictures, but $12,000 for a bicycle is silly.
Well certainly, if you are spending your own money...

But, on the other hand, say you were running or starting a museum...

You hafta admit that Alex has some possibly one-of-a-kind machinery there - and he seems to get his asking price & I think he will here too.

My interest in his photo set is that he's done a LOT of good close-up pics and I want to know every detail about how Raleigh cheapened their bikes... his pics are a great help in that regard. Indeed, one thing I found already is that Raleigh replaced their rock-solid stainless steel nuts on the front axle with the much-balleyhoo'ed [but inferior] chrome plated Raleigh "R" nuts. Bad, bad...

See: https://s47.beta.photobucket.com/user...l?sort=6&o=283
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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
Well certainly, if you are spending your own money...

But, on the other hand, say you were running or starting a museum...
I'd find a better purchasing agent?
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See, now I thought the horns were the silly part
+1 That and the horrible cable dressing. He's also mounted the shifter improperly, not realizing it should read upside down. Still, nice pics for reference.

edit, oh crap, look what he did to the rear light. Nasty.

Palmetto, by the late 80's Raleigh had managed to cheapen everything. It's why we love those 50's bikes!

Like Miyata310's Rudge. It's going to clean up real nice.


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Originally Posted by clubman

edit, oh crap, look what he did to the rear light. Nasty.

Are those holes drilled into to those NOS Fenders!!!!!!

Kinda funny....those are the straps that get bent around stays to hold the light No not so funny.....I cry now
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I know we're preaching to the choir but I'm interested to know how much value you guys would put on these, let's say the mans bike only. With drilled mudguards. What would you pay if you had lots of cash but a distaste for getting burned by NOS fever. I'm thinking $800 - $900?

Am I being too cheap?
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Originally Posted by clubman
+1 That and the horrible cable dressing. He's also mounted the shifter improperly, not realizing it should read upside down. Still, nice pics for reference.

edit, oh crap, look what he did to the rear light. Nasty.

Palmetto, by the late 80's Raleigh had managed to cheapen everything. It's why we love those 50's bikes!

Like Miyata310's Rudge. It's going to clean up real nice.
Hey, I'm just trying to learn this stuff and have to glean where I can. I have a fave cuzzin in Bahstun, which seems to be one epicenter of all this 3-speed stuff, but I'm hesitant to ask her for help in acquiring these peerless machines.

"The Hand; it's all in the Red Hand" - LOL!
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Hey Palmetto, I wasn't trying to disparage you or your admiration for 3 speeds.

Do you have any inside knowledge of these bikes? I see they came from a shop in Rochester.
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Originally Posted by clubman
I know we're preaching to the choir but I'm interested to know how much value you guys would put on these, let's say the mans bike only. With drilled mudguards. What would you pay if you had lots of cash but a distaste for getting burned by NOS fever. I'm thinking $800 - $900?

Am I being too cheap?
No, I would pull the trigger around $500-$600 tops.
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Originally Posted by clubman
Hey Palmetto, I wasn't trying to disparage you or your admiration for 3 speeds.

Do you have any inside knowledge of these bikes? I see they came from a shop in Rochester.
No, sorry, I just happened upon this ebay posting when I took one of my regular lookabouts on there.

Last year I picked up a nice 23" Sports that was 100 miles from me for $50 by doing that...
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Yep, the only weird clamp is the stem clamp, which is 23.8mm.
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Originally Posted by clubman
+1 That and the horrible cable dressing. He's also mounted the shifter improperly, not realizing it should read upside down. Still, nice pics for reference.

edit, oh crap, look what he did to the rear light. Nasty.
The auction listing make it sound like those bikes are in "as found" condition - meaning the pikey Royce Union horns and lighting atrocities were committed at the shop they came from, wouldn't be the first time.

on my frankenbike; a 1960ish S-A shifter. I don't understand how it's mounted incorrectly.
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Originally Posted by yellowbarber
The auction listing make it sound like those bikes are in "as found" condition - meaning the pikey Royce Union horns and lighting atrocities were committed at the shop they came from, wouldn't be the first time.

on my frankenbike; a 1960ish S-A shifter. I don't understand how it's mounted incorrectly.
SA triggers were generally mounted on the tops of roadster/sports bars but on the bottom of drop bar bends for club/road bikes. The SA triggers only came in one model that could be easily read by the rider. Generally, most triggers up to 1960 were below the bar friendly and everything after is above bar. Have a look at Martin Hanczyc's excellent reference page here. https://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/hanc...satriggers.pdf
I question how built bikes could have been kept so mint over several decades. This seller has had more than a few of these.
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