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Old 08-11-13, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wrk101
OK, probably a dumb question, but the Raleigh Sports both have the cable housing stops on the chain stay. So there is no exposed cable along the DT or TT, and no pulley on the ST.

Does it work better with much less housing, a stop near the headtube on the DT or TT, and a pulley on the ST? I have a donor bike available with this setup, so I could do a transplant. The step through Raleigh Sport I picked up has a modern trigger shifter which looks out of place to me, so I will probably use the donor bike's older trigger shifter.
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I've never concerted from twist-grip to SA trigger shifters but if I did, I would install the TT fulcrum sleeve and ST pulley for the very reason you cite: Less compression in short housing.
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I agree about a local 3-speed ride. Would like to do the Lake Pepin someday. Until then the closest thing I found to organized 3-speed rides locally are the DC Seersucker in the summer, and DC Tweed in the fall, many great vintage bikes participate. When your ready to organized a local ride contact me.
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My 1958 Royal 3-Speed

This is my 3-speed, made in England in 1968 all origional even the tires. I called it a 1958 model in the title but it's a 68.










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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Ah- that's basically what I have but with the smooth street tread. I love the concept of a vintage ride, especially with all the cool trails we have in the VA/MD/DC area, but I just can't get into the clothing/fashion part. For me it's all about the bikes and the ride. I'd love to see a 3 speed/vintage ride group around here like they do with Lake Pepin over in the midwest.
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I agree about a local 3-speed ride. Would like to do the Lake Pepin someday. Until then the closest thing I found to organized 3-speed rides locally are the DC Seersucker in the summer, and DC Tweed in the fall, many great vintage bikes participate. When your ready to organized a local ride contact me.
I would be interested in something like Lake Pepin on the here on the east coast. I am in the central part of NC, probably about a 5 hour or so drive from NOVA. However work takes me through the DC area every couple of weeks.

From what I gather if you want THE BEST tire for general riding on less than perfect surfaces the Panarace Col de la Vie is the one to spring for.

I have ridden the sister event to Lake Pepin, the ABCE Tour, great fun too.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I would be interested in something like Lake Pepin on the here on the east coast. I am in the central part of NC, probably about a 5 hour or so drive from NOVA. However work takes me through the DC area every couple of weeks.

From what I gather if you want THE BEST tire for general riding on less than perfect surfaces the Panarace Col de la Vie is the one to spring for.

I have ridden the sister event to Lake Pepin, the ABCE Tour, great fun too.

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Also would love a Lake Pepin-ish tour on the east coast, something for us in MD, VA, NC. And I have a feeling Maggie would accompany me on the ride.

This afternoon I finally put her on my Ranger and, as you predicted, she loved it. Definitely feels a lot more comfortable with an AW than with a five or seven speed freewheel, even when indexed. So, the fall project is to find a decent, clean-up-able 21" men's frame, or a 19 or 21" women's. Anything from a Sports down to an AMF Hercules is acceptable. That Ranger is one of my pride and joy restorations, so I really don't want her to start riding it too often and getting feelings of ownership. She really wants a ladies Tourist, but I figure that's going to take a while to find. While I'm at it, a 3-speed Schwinn Breeze is also acceptable in a pinch.
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Also would love a Lake Pepin-ish tour on the east coast, something for us in MD, VA, NC. And I have a feeling Maggie would accompany me on the ride.

This afternoon I finally put her on my Ranger and, as you predicted, she loved it. Definitely feels a lot more comfortable with an AW than with a five or seven speed freewheel, even when indexed. So, the fall project is to find a decent, clean-up-able 21" men's frame, or a 19 or 21" women's. Anything from a Sports down to an AMF Hercules is acceptable. That Ranger is one of my pride and joy restorations, so I really don't want her to start riding it too often and getting feelings of ownership. She really wants a ladies Tourist, but I figure that's going to take a while to find. While I'm at it, a 3-speed Schwinn Breeze is also acceptable in a pinch.
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I will keep my eyes out for bike for Maggie. I am traveling a lot up and down the east coast this fall. Primarily between Philly, PA and Savannah, GA. So if something pops up and you need it transported let me know.

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@Yo Jimbo - love that bike - and with such well preserved paint and decals it looks like a lot of fun!
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I would be interested in something like Lake Pepin on the here on the east coast. I am in the central part of NC, probably about a 5 hour or so drive from NOVA. However work takes me through the DC area every couple of weeks.

From what I gather if you want THE BEST tire for general riding on less than perfect surfaces the Panarace Col de la Vie is the one to spring for.

I have ridden the sister event to Lake Pepin, the ABCE Tour, great fun too.

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If we can get enough of a mass, we probably could do something on the Capital Crescent or Mount Vernon trail, perhaps with a riverside or canal-side lunch at the end, where the bikes can be shown and checked out by everyone.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
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I've never concerted from twist-grip to SA trigger shifters but if I did, I would install the TT fulcrum sleeve and ST pulley for the very reason you cite: Less compression in short housing.
The full cable housing is good on bikes that see more inclement weather... it shields the cable from water and contaminants quite well and the shifting performance is still very good unless the cables are left to sit... a Raleigh 3 speed that gets ridden regularly is nearly self maintaining while bikes that have sat for decades tend to have more issues.
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Took the 1935 Hercules for a ride today and took a couple quick shots



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Originally Posted by markk900
@Yo Jimbo - love that bike - and with such well preserved paint and decals it looks like a lot of fun!
Thanks alot, I screwed up though, I ment to say it's a 1968 model.
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Originally Posted by Yo Jimbo
This is my 3-speed, made in England in 1968 all origional even the tires. I called it a 1958 model in the title but it's a 68.
Man, you got yourself a nice little time machine there. Take care of it. I've noticed that English roadsters built (and rebadged) for American distribution seen to be a lot rarer than the original Raleighs, Phillips, Hercules, etc.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
If we can get enough of a mass, we probably could do something on the Capital Crescent or Mount Vernon trail, perhaps with a riverside or canal-side lunch at the end, where the bikes can be shown and checked out by everyone.
Sounds like a plan, let me know how I can help .

Looking at the pics of your Hercules, are those the original handle bar grips? If, not where did you find them?
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Originally Posted by 73emgee
Sounds like a plan, let me know how I can help .

Looking at the pics of your Hercules, are those the original handle bar grips? If, not where did you find them?
They are not the originals, but are old stock from the 1950s or so I'd say. They're "Apex" label and seem pretty close to what the Hercules catalogs depict. They were an Ebay find after doing some searching.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Took the 1935 Hercules for a ride today and took a couple quick shots



That is pretty fabulous.
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I checked again tonight to see what the ends say, and they are made in Birmingham, so probably a good pick for a BCC made cycle or similar.

Originally Posted by 73emgee
Sounds like a plan, let me know how I can help .

Looking at the pics of your Hercules, are those the original handle bar grips? If, not where did you find them?
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Not sure my 1980 Tourist qualifies as a vintage ride ( after all I'm older than it is ) but it certainly is a Raleigh three speed and I'm in NW DC and certainly up for a group ride. I'll mention it on the WABA forum to see if there are any interest there.

Originally Posted by SirMike1983
.... I'd love to see a 3 speed/vintage ride group around here like they do with Lake Pepin over in the midwest.
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My hip hates the upright riding position but I love this bike... I use it for short errands and will be taking my wife on dates with it as she rides hers.

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Originally Posted by erileykc
Not sure my 1980 Tourist qualifies as a vintage ride ( after all I'm older than it is ) but it certainly is a Raleigh three speed and I'm in NW DC and certainly up for a group ride. I'll mention it on the WABA forum to see if there are any interest there.
I doubt too many people outside of this forum would recognize that your Tourist is as new as it is. If I ride mine it is newer than yours IMHO a Lake Pepin ride is about the IGH and not the age of the bike. If you read the reports a there are quite a few newish bikes, but the primary requirement is the IGH. The ABCE is all about British cycles, but is predominantly IGH. The last time I went there was a gorgeous Flying Scot and a sweet Jack Taylor.

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Originally Posted by erileykc
Not sure my 1980 Tourist qualifies as a vintage ride ( after all I'm older than it is ) but it certainly is a Raleigh three speed and I'm in NW DC and certainly up for a group ride. I'll mention it on the WABA forum to see if there are any interest there.
It's vintage both in style and years, so it certainly counts. I always considered my 1978 Tourist a "vintage" bike. The DL-1's features add to its years in some ways.

If I were forced to pick a cut off, I'd say 25 years old or more. It's sort of moot with English 3 speeds because you generally see them in early 1980s era and earlier. I would not be opposed to allowing in other vintage bikes. Though if you end up on the C&O Tow Path, thin road tires may not do as well. A DL-1 would be right at home on that path though.
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A friend of mine showed me a bike he's been given, which appears to be a Raleigh Dawn Tourist. It's hard to tell because it's a box of parts at the moment, not all of them original. It clearly has rod brakes and takes 26 x 1 3/8" wheels. The front wheel has a dynohub dated 1956; the rim is a Raleigh branded "Westrick" pattern rim. But the rear wheel has a plain Endrick rim on a 1953 AW. It's clearly not original; not even a Dunlop rim.

So I told him the rod brakes will not work with the plain box-pattern Endrick rim. But am I right? Or could he use the rod brakes with the Endrick rim?

If not... well, if anyone has a 40H Raleigh pattern rim you'd like to trade for something, please let me know.
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Dawn would indeed be 26 x 1 3/8 with rod brakes. It should be a Sports type frame. What I have not checked is whether the Dawn has a lower bottom bracket than a Sports or is actually the same. They were advertised as having a "lower" bottom bracket and were referred to as "safety" models sometimes. Mine handles more or less like a Sports frame would, though other factors make it unique in some ways.

Replace the Endrick with a Westrick if he's using stirrup brakes.
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Well, I was able to rebuild one twist shifter so far, why? I have no idea. This one was missing the little detent ball bearing. Fortunately, the spring was still in place! So I tried a variety of sizes, the 5/32 inch (headset size) seemed to fit the best, so I use it. Had to guess a little as to location on the spring and mechanism, although it was somewhat obvious.

The twist housing on the other bike is broken, I did buy a replacement housing off ebay (again, why, I really don't know). Who knows if even all the parts are there? I'll see when it shows up.

I guess I would rather have it running with the mediocre gear as originally built, than something better. We'll see how long this purity lasts.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Ah- that's basically what I have but with the smooth street tread. I love the concept of a vintage ride, especially with all the cool trails we have in the VA/MD/DC area, but I just can't get into the clothing/fashion part. For me it's all about the bikes and the ride. I'd love to see a 3 speed/vintage ride group around here like they do with Lake Pepin over in the midwest.
Granted, a lot of the "Gentlemen Cyclists" (and "Ladies!") who ride Lake Pepin get dressed up too.

Something I've learned about ride organization over the years: If you want to see it happen, you have to be the one that makes it happen. That's what I did with the Three Speed Rides here in Portland.
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Originally Posted by rhm
A friend of mine showed me a bike he's been given, which appears to be a Raleigh Dawn Tourist. It's hard to tell because it's a box of parts at the moment, not all of them original. It clearly has rod brakes and takes 26 x 1 3/8" wheels. The front wheel has a dynohub dated 1956; the rim is a Raleigh branded "Westrick" pattern rim. But the rear wheel has a plain Endrick rim on a 1953 AW. It's clearly not original; not even a Dunlop rim.

So I told him the rod brakes will not work with the plain box-pattern Endrick rim. But am I right? Or could he use the rod brakes with the Endrick rim?

If not... well, if anyone has a 40H Raleigh pattern rim you'd like to trade for something, please let me know.
The rod brake stirrup system has enough play that the pads can easily wander over the flat surface of an endrick and catch a spoke. Then you're in trouble.
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