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Old 12-27-13, 05:24 PM
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Other than the obvious routing differences on step through versus regular diamond frames, the factory made a change in the late 70's early 80's and moved the pulley to the bottom of the seat post. Earlier bikes (prior to ~1965?) had a post brazed/welded on for the pulley, after that they were clamp on. Some bikes made in the 1980's had full length cable housing to the rear stay. An lot of excess friction in my opinion. My personal preference is along the top tube, if you have a hub that is sticking a bit you can grab the cable and give it a yank to free things up while riding.

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Like wahoonc, I've found the bikes that used cable casing all the way down to midway on the rear stay would occasionally have friction problems and hang up. I'd always considered it a mark of a higher end roadster to use a pulley rather than cable casing.

Of course, the one exception to this rule was the Raleigh Twenty. Without the cable casing routing, folding would have been impossible. And I've never had a problem with the casings on those bikes. Probably not hurt by the cable/casing setup was shorter than a full-sized roadster.
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I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
... Earlier bikes (prior to ~1965?) had a post brazed/welded on for the pulley, after that they were clamp on. Some bikes made in the 1980's had full length cable housing to the rear stay. ...
Good stuff Aaron.

I think the braze on pulley tab didn't show up until around 1950 - 1952.

https://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html shows clamp-on pulley as fitted in the late 40's then braze on from '52 with no info for 1950 or 51. Goes back to clamp on in 61.

That site is good, but not perfect, I think. I have a frame with a serial number nnnnn AK - which would make it early sixties according to the charts. But the forks are squashed and slotted with the old retention method (the indent is on the outside of the fork, rather than the inside), and the oiler is on the left rather than the right side, meaning it isn't a '61 or 2.

https://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#47 has other serial number charts, which show two standards in place in the late 40's. That's the nice thing about standards: there are so many of them.
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Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?
I have the bits and bobs to convert my 1972 Superbe and 1973 Colt to alloy rims, also a whole bunch of parts for my 1981 DL-1, adding a full chain case, heavy rear rack with built in kickstand, etc. Just need to clear out the shop and make room to work. Too many farm/home/work projects have gotten in the way... AGAIN!

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Bought this Carlton 5 speed(I know it is not a 3 speed, still cool though?) today off an auction site over here, I will pick it up in a week or 2 will post more pics when I get it.
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Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:



It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.
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3 Speed Trottle Shifters

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I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:



It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.
I swapped out the original shifters on my 5 speed for these "throttle" style ones which are quite nice.
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Originally Posted by gster
I swapped out the original shifters on my 5 speed for these "throttle" style ones which are quite nice.
Oh, nice!! Now I'm on the hunt. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have the bits and bobs to convert my 1972 Superbe and 1973 Colt to alloy rims, also a whole bunch of parts for my 1981 DL-1, adding a full chain case, heavy rear rack with built in kickstand, etc. Just need to clear out the shop and make room to work. Too many farm/home/work projects have gotten in the way... AGAIN!

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Don't feel bad. I don't get to work on any more bikes until I've finished cleaning, bagging, and reshelving the undone part of my spare parts inventory.
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They're around. I had to pack out the bracket with a leather sleeve but still think they're period appropriate as i have seen them on other bikes.
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Originally Posted by debit
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:



It's a 67 Sprite 5* speed that's getting new rims, Panaracer tires, a brown B67S and new grips. Now I just need to decide if I'm keeping the very fragile feeling DT shifters or switching up to something a bit sturdier.

* It still qualifies, right? It's really more like a three speed with an extended high and low gear.
* Close enough. I've seen 'em at lake Pepin.

If you can't find the cool throttle shifters, you can always use two regular trigger shifters on the bars.
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* Close enough. I've seen 'em at lake Pepin.

If you can't find the cool throttle shifters, you can always use two regular trigger shifters on the bars.
Seems to me a I saw a Raleigh 6-speed there this year- an AW hub with a Benelux Cyclo in the rear. If my memory is playing games on me then it was at the Lizard Rally...
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Seems to me a I saw a Raleigh 6-speed there this year- an AW hub with a Benelux Cyclo in the rear. If my memory is playing games on me then it was at the Lizard Rally...
That is a cool setup to have... the modern 2 speed cludge might be a little slicker but those old Benelux derailleurs are really cool and do what they need to do.
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Originally Posted by Bicycle Addict
I put a Brown B17 on to the green bike today, I will get a pic tomorrow. Awesome thread lets keep them coming, have any of the older posters made any changes to their bikes?
Need to pull the trigger on a correct set of bars for the roadster.This setup is a workout.

Oh,and a new seat.

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Originally Posted by michael k
Need to pull the trigger on a correct set of bars for the roadster.This setup is a workout.

Oh,and a new seat.

That's a pretty over-the-top saddle... What is it?
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A highwheeler replica from RBR. https://www.hiwheel.com/
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A highwheeler replica from RBR. https://www.hiwheel.com/
Certainly priced well enough; what do you think of the quality of it?
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I cold-set my frame to accommodate the new front and rear hubs last night, which went a lot better than I feared it would. It also revealed that 700x42 tires won't quite clear the top of the front fork without rubbing. I'm going to try reseating the tire to get it properly centered before writing off the 42's.
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Originally Posted by debit
I finally got around to getting most of the parts I need for this one:

I about did a double take as I have a mini-me version...sort of.

Forty years of being a garage queen the 3 speed coaster brake hub needed cleaned out and fresh grease.It was like gummy bears and honey inside.


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Originally Posted by michael k
I about did a double take as I have a mini-me version...sort of.

Forty years of being a garage queen the 3 speed coaster brake hub needed cleaned out and fresh grease.It was like gummy bears and honey inside.

The Space Riders are so damn cute! I once saw one tucked away in a shop and made grabby hands at it, but alas, it was set aside for an employee who had dibs.

My Sprite appears to have been well ridden, but also well loved. I picked her up from a junk dealer who'd just cleaned out the garage of someone recently deceased. The hub wanted a little oil and the brakes needed pads, but BB seems fine. I'm really looking forward to gussying her up with some new parts and getting some miles in once it warms up a little.
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The Space Riders are so damn cute! I once saw one tucked away in a shop and made grabby hands at it, but alas, it was set aside for an employee who had dibs.
Was it MMRB? That is my daughter's:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post14223448
I was working on it there.

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WOW!!!

Such a wonderful job! Im in love with this bike!!!

GREAT JOB!

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This is a terrific thread and one of the reasons I come back to lurk on the C&V section. Here's my contribution. The frame is from a basket case that came with another bike I bought, and it was so sorry looking that I almost trashed it. But, I had some paint left over from another project and after locating a few odds and ends, and way too much work by a cycling buddy who's pretty handy with a hammer and spray gun, this is the end result. In no way did I want to make a period perfect restoration, it was just something that came together on an ad hoc basis with no regard for history. I put in a link to a photobucket slideshow deal if you want to see more pics.

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Currently working on this one:



A few more bits and bobs to add and still looking for the right touch-up paint. You can read about it here: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...aleigh-Superbe
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Let us know if you find the touch-up paint. I need to repaint the rack and chainguard on my wife's Superbe.
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