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Old 09-21-15, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gster
Thank you again for the info. I should have thanked you for starting this thread, my mistake. I do have a 26 x 1 1/4 hub/rim in the garage. I'll take a closer look at it. | enjoy my time here and have one question.
Why haven't we heard from Velocvixen?
I am holding her hostage in my shop until she agrees to come and work with me.

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Old 09-22-15, 03:32 AM
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I am holding her hostage in my shop until she agrees to come and work with me.

Here in Toronto, that's still against the law......
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@gster - I'm still here and doing well. I don't have any vintage projects, nor the funds because I bought a modern bike and have been dialing that one in (just bought a new saddle - Selle Italia "Diva". Also just out riding more too.

Although I have gladly given my services to two of my neighbors for their bikes. In return one traded me aged hemlock bark dust, and the other one surprised me with two packets of zip ties and a new plastic tool chest! How sweet. I told them I really didn't want anything, but they insisted.

The Raleigh Twenty is fine, although asked @gugie if he'd make me a drop bolt for the rear brake and just haven't gotten around to taking the parts over. Thinking maybe to just have someone lower the rear plate instead. I like the bike because of its uniqueness but it does ride differently from other bikes I have. The NOS SA AW rear hub is the quickest most perfect shifting hub I've ever experienced in regard to a 3 speed.

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gster - I'm still here and doing well. I don't have any vintage projects, nor the funds because I bought a modern bike and have been dialing that one in (just bought a new saddle - Selle Italia "Diva". Also just out riding more too.

Although I have gladly given my services to two of my neighbors for their bikes. In return one traded me aged hemlock bark dust, and the other one surprised me with two packets of zip ties and a new plastic tool chest! How sweet. I told them I really didn't want anything, but they insisted.

The Raleigh Twenty is fine, although asked @gugie if he'd make me a drop bolt for the rear brake and just haven't gotten around to taking the parts over. Thinking maybe to just have someone lower the rear plate instead. I like the bike because of its uniqueness but it does ride differently from other bikes I have. The NOS SA AW rear hub is the quickest most perfect shifting hub I've ever experienced in regard to a 3 speed.

Im here every day reading posts, but don't always have anything to add. Hope you all are well.
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Old 09-22-15, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gster - I'm still here and doing well. I don't have any vintage projects, nor the funds because I bought a modern bike and have been dialing that one in (just bought a new saddle - Selle Italia "Diva". Also just out riding more too.

Although I have gladly given my services to two of my neighbors for their bikes. In return one traded me aged hemlock bark dust, and the other one surprised me with two packets of zip ties and a new plastic tool chest! How sweet. I told them I really didn't want anything, but they insisted.

The Raleigh Twenty is fine, although asked @gugie if he'd make me a drop bolt for the rear brake and just haven't gotten around to taking the parts over. Thinking maybe to just have someone lower the rear plate instead. I like the bike because of its uniqueness but it does ride differently from other bikes I have. The NOS SA AW rear hub is the quickest most perfect shifting hub I've ever experienced in regard to a 3 speed.

Im here every day reading posts, but don't always have anything to add. Hope you all are well.
I'm away on my annual mid-life crisis bike trip next few weeks, but am willing and able to take a look at the Twenty after that. I have a Bike Friday, I know what you mean- they do ride differently. I've never overhauled my SACHS 3X7 system, I think we might have a trade-you show me how to disassemble and clean the thing, I make you a drop bolt or lower the rear plate-I'm sure we can come up with something. Heck, we could put cantilevers on it if you don't mind repainting!
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I have read comments from a few (not all) that Twenties aren't good for more than a few miles. I have been riding the white Twenty while waiting for my new old Sports to get refurbished. I am a month shy of 56 and haven't been riding for quite a few years. Did 9 miles this morning and all aches and pains had a lot more to do with me than the bike. IMHO it rides pretty good for a pony. The brown one is actually supposed to be mine, but my husband is toughing that one out until some issues get fixed with it.

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Old 09-22-15, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by redfoxdogs
I have read comments from a few (not all) that Twenties aren't good for more than a few miles. I have been riding the white Twenty while waiting for my new old Sports to get refurbished. I am a month shy of 56 and haven't been riding for quite a few years. Did 9 miles this morning and all aches and pains had a lot more to do with me than the bike. IMHO it rides pretty good for a pony.

Nice photo of your Twenty. I think the longest I rode it for was maybe 6 miles or so. I put a rack on the back and use a pannier to do light grocery shopping nearby. It won't be my long distance bike for sure.
@gugie - Mid-life crisis!? I was certain that you're not a year over 30! Have fun wherever you go. Repainting isn't an issue for this bike. I'm in no hurry.
@arex - hey! What's new on the three speed front?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gugie - Mid-life crisis!? I was certain that you're not a year over 30! Have fun wherever you go. Repainting isn't an issue for this bike. I'm in no hurry.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@arex - hey! What's new on the three speed front?
Very little, really. My wife's three-speed is in the shed until I get my mountain bike rebuilt, and my Raleigh remains in the shed until I'm no longer too fat to ride it. I am down to 275, however, so I'm making good progress.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gster - I'm still here and doing well. I don't have any vintage projects, nor the funds because I bought a modern bike and have been dialing that one in (just bought a new saddle - Selle Italia "Diva". Also just out riding more too.

Although I have gladly given my services to two of my neighbors for their bikes. In return one traded me aged hemlock bark dust, and the other one surprised me with two packets of zip ties and a new plastic tool chest! How sweet. I told them I really didn't want anything, but they insisted.

The Raleigh Twenty is fine, although asked @gugie if he'd make me a drop bolt for the rear brake and just haven't gotten around to taking the parts over. Thinking maybe to just have someone lower the rear plate instead. I like the bike because of its uniqueness but it does ride differently from other bikes I have. The NOS SA AW rear hub is the quickest most perfect shifting hub I've ever experienced in regard to a 3 speed.

Im here every day reading posts, but don't always have anything to add. Hope you all are well.
Glad you're back. This forum/thread (not sure the difference..) could use the female perspective and input.
Please post some photos.... of the bikes, of course.
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Old 09-22-15, 11:46 PM
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I have ridden my stock R20 30-40 miles at a time but it usually gets used for rides between 5 and 15 miles... the modded P20 is built for centuries and touring.
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Curious to know, what mods made your 20 better for longer rides?
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Does anyone happen to have for sale, or know where I could get, the non-drive side bell crank for a Sturmey Archer S5 hub. The part looks like this:

https://john-s-allen.com/galleries/ra...s/IMG_7665.JPG

I recently began work on a 5 speed Sprite from the 1960s, and Fed Ex destroyed the bell crank in shipping it to me. I got a partial refund, but am having trouble locating one of these bell cranks. I tried BikeSmith but he was out of them.
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Originally Posted by redfoxdogs
I have read comments from a few (not all) that Twenties aren't good for more than a few miles. I have been riding the white Twenty while waiting for my new old Sports to get refurbished. I am a month shy of 56 and haven't been riding for quite a few years. Did 9 miles this morning and all aches and pains had a lot more to do with me than the bike. IMHO it rides pretty good for a pony. The brown one is actually supposed to be mine, but my husband is toughing that one out until some issues get fixed with it.
I have ridden my Twenty up to 60 miles in a single day, more common distances are in the 20-30 mile range. It is as comfortable as my big Raleigh, just a different ride.

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Does anyone happen to have for sale, or know where I could get, the non-drive side bell crank for a Sturmey Archer S5 hub. The part looks like this:

https://john-s-allen.com/galleries/ra...s/IMG_7665.JPG

I recently began work on a 5 speed Sprite from the 1960s, and Fed Ex destroyed the bell crank in shipping it to me. I got a partial refund, but am having trouble locating one of these bell cranks. I tried BikeSmith but he was out of them.

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I love the S5. Although, I didn't love the original top tube mounted stick shifters. My Sprite now shifts nicely with a 60s GC3B trigger on the right and a Suntour handlebar shifter for the bell crank on the left. The Suntour is especially well suited to the bell crank. As you add tension to the cable to engage the bell crank, there is no resistance from the friction plates, only a ratchet. When you push the lever forward to release tension and dis-engage the crank, you overcome the ratchet and the friction plates takes over. I don't know if you have experience riding with an S5, but it's nice not to have to fight the friction plates while engaging the bell crank. It has a better feel and more control. 99% of the time, I ride in the medium ratio mode. (bell crank disengaged). The trigger shifter works perfectly and gives me ratios of -21% underdrive, normal and +26.6% overdrive which is just perfect for me. With the crank engaged, you get -33% normal and +50%. I never have any use for the tall overdrive, but sometimes I use the low gear in wide ratio mode.
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Would like to be able to ride as far as you guys....not likely, but I'm working on it.
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I'm preparing for the first major rebuild of my late 70s Raleigh Tourist. The hub says 78 and I bought the bike new in 80 or 81 so perhaps the hub sat on the shelf for a while or the bike sat in the shop for a while but I digress. I've found a wealth of take down and clean out videos on Youtube and pointers in the assembled works of Sheldon Brown. A question I have for the forum is about bearings. This bike doesn't have the miles that my commuters get, its' always been a week end fun bike or a ride with my son when he was little bike. I know that in a lot of the metal hardware I see currently from China the material quality is pretty poor and that seems to be the bulk of whats on the market now aside from rated grade 8 bolts and such. Common wisdom would be replace the ball bearings where ever and when ever. Is that the case here or might it be better to stick with the original English made bearings if they appear in good shape? Is there a good source for better quality bearings than the mass market might yield?

You may at this point be thinking "this bike is 35 years old, of course you replace the bearings" which is what I would have thought too till I started taking it down and I was stunned at what great shape the chain was in which got me thinking - too much perhaps.

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I clean them, and only replace if there is any sign of pitting. I too have torn down some very old ones that seemed to have no wear at all...I just degrease and reassemble.
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Most of the time ball bearings are reusable. Still, I always have spare 5/32" bearings handy when I take apart an old Raleigh headset. No matter how hard I try, a few always seem to get away from me.
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Indication of how times have changed - when I was a young cyclist, getting spare ball bearings was easy as could be. Every hardware store carried a variety of sizes and packaging. For some reason, these days they are impossible to find in my neck of the woods - I have to beg, borrow or buy them from the LBS at outrageous prices (not that I am complaining - they've always been easy to deal with). So its a good idea to have spares handy....shows people don't use them as much as in the past!
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Polish or Czech 3 Speed?
Not sure about this one but I've seen this brand before. Listed on Kijiji Toronto at a reasonable $110.00.I'm pretty sure it has a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub.
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Indication of how times have changed - when I was a young cyclist, getting spare ball bearings was easy as could be. Every hardware store carried a variety of sizes and packaging. For some reason, these days they are impossible to find in my neck of the woods - I have to beg, borrow or buy them from the LBS at outrageous prices (not that I am complaining - they've always been easy to deal with). So its a good idea to have spares handy....shows people don't use them as much as in the past!
I've had no issues buying loose bearings at a variety of bike shops here in Toronto. I often re use the old ones if they appear sound and yes, a few seem to always get away...
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I've had no issues buying loose bearings at a variety of bike shops here in Toronto. I often re use the old ones if they appear sound and yes, a few seem to always get away...
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