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Old 11-23-15, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Ended up with a one owner, 1978 Raleigh Sports 19" Silver with blue headtube & seat tube panel. Don't think it ever had maintenance, so needed big cleanup. I did the usual repacking of both wheel hubs, bottom bracket & headset. Replaced brake cables/housings/pads and kept but cleaned cable for shifter. Needed new tubes and tires and a new chain. Has a Swedish Trygg dual leg kickstand which is nice and interesting.


I've only ever ridden 21" three-speeds and while comfy I felt like I was "on" the bike not really meshed in "with" the bike. This 19" bike just feels natural, like I'm not even thinking about fit - just riding along. I will keep the steel wheels - the chrome is nice.
That looks really nice. Are you going to keep the mattress saddle?

I fixed up a silver Sports like that for a friend of my wife. I found blue tires at the bike recycler. They looked good on the bike.
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@gna - the saddle is comfy except that the shape of it isn't quite right for me. I think I take more of a "T" shaped vs "pear" shaped saddle. Anyway the front edges of the saddle rub me in a sensitive spot & I'm not sure at this point how far I can ride it like that. Same with my Brooks B67, which I sold because of the same thing. B17's fit my real well.

I have a habit of buying bikes, spending $$$ then when I sell them I may just brake even, or like with my Phillips I lost $ because of the new wheels I built.

Part of why I bought this is so my husband can go on dedicated 3-speed rides with The Society of Three Speeds that I belong to. So one of us can ride the Raleigh Twenty & one can ride this one. We're both the same height, so either would fit us well.
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This one showed up today @$1500.00. Sees high to me but I don't know about these. 1965.
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Old 11-24-15, 09:02 AM
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This one showed up today @$1500.00. Sees high to me but I don't know about these. 1965.
Just a tad high in the price department...
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Old 11-24-15, 09:06 AM
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Wow, interesting looking bike, but the price seems high to me. Wonder how they feel to ride?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gna - the saddle is comfy except that the shape of it isn't quite right for me. I think I take more of a "T" shaped vs "pear" shaped saddle. Anyway the front edges of the saddle rub me in a sensitive spot & I'm not sure at this point how far I can ride it like that. Same with my Brooks B67, which I sold because of the same thing. B17's fit my real well.
With the leather saddles you usually want them slightly nose up, so that the tendency is to be resting on the rear of the saddle. That varies from person to person and to a certain degree from saddle to saddle as not all bits of leather behave the same way.

If you have a cushioned saddle its a different story. But adjusting them to be comfortable is still critical! There are also modern saddles that a engineered to be more comfortable; it'd be a shame to move on from a perfectly good bike just because the stock saddle is uncomfortable- try some others!
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Wow, interesting looking bike, but the price seems high to me. Wonder how they feel to ride?
Moultons will spoil you for other bikes...

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@Salubrious - I just literally finished with the bike and did a basic saddle adjustment. I'll make sure to fine tune it and ride some more. I want to keep it original if possible.
@Sixty Fiver - now I want one!
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I bought an Origin8 sealed bearing headset and took the nylon bushing piece out. So just the top nut used to preload then tighten the stem with the handle piece. I really like the brown saddle with this green - in person a nice, rich, subtle look. It's interesting trying to balance the classic original bits with the new modern items, hopefully with a classic aesthetic.

Yeah, the silver with blue seems to be less common I guess, however the Raleigh green and coffee are my favorites. The owner said she specifically chose the silver because it was different. Wonder if there was more than one Raleigh dealer in Chicago 37 years ago?

Can't find anything about Trygg kickstand made in Sweden. Spent a bit of time looking online to see if the company existed, or if it was a town or what else they may have made.

@michaelz28 - how does she like the ride of it?
the seat is like a marshmello ... it shifts and brakes perfect .
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Moultons will spoil you for other bikes...
Unfortunately I was able to build up quite collection of domesticated female fowl incisors and still not see a Moulton here in 'Merica over the decades but a couple of months ago while on holiday in the UK I practically slimed a Moulton MkIII. What a remarkable bike.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@Salubrious - I just literally finished with the bike and did a basic saddle adjustment. I'll make sure to fine tune it and ride some more. I want to keep it original if possible.
@Sixty Fiver - now I want one!
My Moulton is a '66 with a ton of upgrades... it has a 7 speed IGH and dyno up front (laced to new rims), dual pivot brakes, and a bunch of nice 70's era road parts.

It is the kind of bike you can ride around town or across the country... century rides are a joy on this.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@gna - the saddle is comfy except that the shape of it isn't quite right for me. I think I take more of a "T" shaped vs "pear" shaped saddle. Anyway the front edges of the saddle rub me in a sensitive spot & I'm not sure at this point how far I can ride it like that. Same with my Brooks B67, which I sold because of the same thing. B17's fit my real well.

I have a habit of buying bikes, spending $$$ then when I sell them I may just brake even, or like with my Phillips I lost $ because of the new wheels I built.

Part of why I bought this is so my husband can go on dedicated 3-speed rides with The Society of Three Speeds that I belong to. So one of us can ride the Raleigh Twenty & one can ride this one. We're both the same height, so either would fit us well.
Say hi to Shawn for me.

I was curious because I've fixed up a couple of Raleighs for friends that had that late '70s mattress saddle, and one woman loves it and the other HATED it.
I wouldn't worry about keeping it stock--get a saddle that works for you.
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Royal Enfield Revelation. 3 speed & rareish: )

RE Revelations are quite rare 3 speeds, produced only for 18 months or so before Royal Enfield went bust in Jan 1967.

They differ from many of the period 3 speed small wheelers in that they were built as load carriers & were very good at it. Had 36 spoke wheels, as opposed to the 28 spoke Raleigh variants, for example.
Here's my current threesome:
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Here is one I needed to repaint. So very good for customising; )
Shown here with my lovely great niece riding & enjoying it:
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And here one I added to compare with my 1988 Dave Marsh TT machine, to show the long going frame similarities:
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@Bicyclz - Thank you for sharing your bikes. I've never seen those before and am interested to learn more. If they were meant to carry things does that imply they were "utility" built bikes (vs race type)? What kind of tubing & lugs? How & where did you find these? Would you be willing to share some close up photos of it- anything you think is interesting?

The cream colored repaint is sweet.

@gna - the mattress saddle overall is good and comfy, but I will try adjusting it a bit and riding it more for sure. The plastic "leather" top is in nice condition.


OK, so here's a question. The woman, Kathy, who sold me the silver Raleigh Sports lives about a mile from me, and I mentioned to her something like, "Oh, you might see me riding around the neighborhood sometime", and I told her where I live. She & her husband seemed friendly, and I'm thinking about riding over one of these days, ring the doorbell and just say Hi & show her the bike. I'm hoping that she would get a charge of seeing it back in its former glory. It would be just a quick, "Hi, I'm the one who bought your bike and I've cleaned it all up and was just riding around. Thought you might like to see it" sort of thing.

Does this seem creepy? (remember, this is the Pacific Northwest, but I'm not in Portland. It's not unusual to say "Hi" or strike up random conversations with strangers, etc).
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IMO, not creepy if you do it one time. You might wait awhile and see if you catch them out and about. If not , a causal drop and show might be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by gna
Say hi to Shawn for me.
And a "hi" right back at ya, Gary!
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@Bicyclz - Thank you for sharing your bikes. I've never seen those before and am interested to learn more. If they were meant to carry things does that imply they were "utility" built bikes (vs race type)? What kind of tubing & lugs? How & where did you find these? Would you be willing to share some close up photos of it- anything you think is interesting?

The cream colored repaint is sweet.

@gna - the mattress saddle overall is good and comfy, but I will try adjusting it a bit and riding it more for sure. The plastic "leather" top is in nice condition.


OK, so here's a question. The woman, Kathy, who sold me the silver Raleigh Sports lives about a mile from me, and I mentioned to her something like, "Oh, you might see me riding around the neighborhood sometime", and I told her where I live. She & her husband seemed friendly, and I'm thinking about riding over one of these days, ring the doorbell and just say Hi & show her the bike. I'm hoping that she would get a charge of seeing it back in its former glory. It would be just a quick, "Hi, I'm the one who bought your bike and I've cleaned it all up and was just riding around. Thought you might like to see it" sort of thing.

Does this seem creepy? (remember, this is the Pacific Northwest, but I'm not in Portland. It's not unusual to say "Hi" or strike up random conversations with strangers, etc).
Just don't go all "Twin Peaks" on her and it should be OK.
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Hi Velocivixen. Thanks for your interest: )

I love these Revelations, but maybe I mislead you a little by saying they were built as load carriers.
They were more a handy, small wheeler that could carry loads very well. Came with a rear rack & fittings for a front one as well.
Long wheelbase made for stability, they were pretty much a full sized bike (roadster or road-bike!) with small wheels. See the pic above with the Dave Marsh. A Raleigh 20 is a totally different beast.

I've got lots of pics of these Revelations if there is any interest.
I've got one with 22" wheels, for example; )
Single speed with coaster brake??

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How neat is that?

I would say 'go show your bike'.
It'll only make them smile: )
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Really nice looking bike! The integrated rack is super.
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....& easily removable too...
Small detail, but shows how cool these were in 1965!
You can see the braze-on for the front rack at the top of the head-tube.
Racks for these though are real 'hens teeth'.

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1955 Humber Clipper 3 speed

A variant of the Raleigh Lenton Sports, this one is in fine order for a 60yo.

Pictured as found here, with an AW hub from 1978, (should be FM I think) but pretty much original else, bar the saddle!


The celluloid guards are very delicate & survived well, with Humber transfers showing. Just missing the mud flap.



This Clipper is the same as the Lenton Sports, but with different forks, decals & paint colours. (As is the Rudge Pathfinder.)



Currently getting a rebuild, probably with an AM hub: )
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Good gracious ! That is certainly a lovely bike. That could have been ridden in the "Cyclist Special " video.

Q, are you sure the handle bar set up is original, ie; tape, levers and placement of the shifter?

just wondering. Paint looks fine for a bike from ' 55. Look forward to hearing about the hub transplant.
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Kind of interesting shift cable arrangement, no pulley wheel and the cable housing running to a stop on the stay. I'd like to see picture of the stop. I'm working on similar vintage bike and just assumed I'd hang a pulley. May be not?
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The stem & Maes pattern bars are AVA & likely original.
The trigger position is a personal choice of the previous (1) owner I reckon, & the bar wrap appears to be electricians insulation tape: )
Weinmann levers are possibly replacements, but I think they suit & it'll be getting 605 calipers & probably alloy rims. Efficient brakes are more important to me than period correctness.

I bought it from the previous owners son & he - the father - used it frequently while he was able. He kept it well though, on a tight budget.

The hub transplant shouldn't be too difficult. I have AM & FM internals, just need the right shell. I've got it running with a 700 FM rear currently, borrowed from my 1955 FE Dunning while it gets a winter service. Trying out flat bars too, just to see how it rides before I spend a lot of time on it. First impressions are excellent, the original paint/decals look brilliant for its age, now it's had a fairly detailed clean/service.



I think the FM suits this, (QR indicator is quite nice: ) but on the other hand the AM is a very sweet alternative.



Some paint loss on the stays where Miller Dyno & lamp were attached, but nothing too intrusive.
Decals are really clean:


I just love it as a winter project....
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Originally Posted by Velognome
Kind of interesting shift cable arrangement, no pulley wheel and the cable housing running to a stop on the stay. I'd like to see picture of the stop. I'm working on similar vintage bike and just assumed I'd hang a pulley. May be not?
These bikes have a braze-on for the pulley wheel, (so it was built for Sturmey Archer gears) but in the 'As Found pics' he's used outer all along the trigger cable, by-passing the pulley facility. Quite a common way of routing the change cable if you don't have braze-ons.
I would say it's better using a pulley wheel, as I've used in the temporary rebuild.
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