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Old 01-16-16, 05:20 PM
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Hey, I think I got the better end of that deal...I still have a few pumps and bags, but now I'm good to go on the next Portland Tweed ride!
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Originally Posted by gugie
Hey, I think I got the better end of that deal...I still have a few pumps and bags, but now I'm good to go on the next Portland Tweed ride!
I just hope you or someone you know can get some use out of that Raleigh. At least you won't have to worry about the paint. I appreciate the trade. Not sure if the bag is water proof or resistant, so bought some spray on water proofing for it. Can't wait to install it on the Univega. Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I just hope you or someone you know can get some use out of that Raleigh. At least you won't have to worry about the paint. I appreciate the trade. Not sure if the bag is water proof or resistant, so bought some spray on water proofing for it. Can't wait to install it on the Univega. Thanks again.
I think I'm just going to attach the baskets and use it for grocery runs! That and visitors-I can put several bikes in the back of the pickup, 4-5 people can fit in the double cab, ride down to the waterfront, and tool around Portland.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Thanks to @gugie I now have more space in the garage as well as a nice 12" pump for the Raleigh Twenty AND a saddle bag. I traded my too large Raleigh Sports for the pump and the bag. What a great forum member.

Here are some photos along with close up of the replacement decals from VeloCals. Original rear brake caliper had routing from the bottom up, and now am using modern Tektro R559's so there's that unsightly bend in the brake cable. Oh well. The rack is a loved Bontrager and it's very sturdy. I'm using this rack so I can actually go do light grocery shopping with this bike.
That 20 looks GREAT. I should take my brake apart before I say anything but...The Tektro 800a brake I have on my Rudge sure looks like you could swap the pinch bolt and adjuster around and route from the bottom just like the old brakes. Plus, they're left side so you can route right lever/rear brake without crossing the frame. For 35 bucks, I think it would be worth it for this bike. It's so perfect otherwise. Might have to shim the pinch bolt out a bit, but I think it would work on the front side of the caliper.

edit. Looks like it may need a longer pinch bolt. The angle of the cable out of the casing might be too steep. Too bad there's not enough clearance to mount the adjuster behind the caliper. Still, it could be done. Just need a long enough bolt with a hole drilled through it.
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Originally Posted by Bicyclz
Great thread & I hope I'm not out of line showing my 1960s French Diamant Mixte.
I've added a 3 speed Sturmey Archer running AM internals. Set up to run as a single speed in top gear, leaving two lower gears for hills, loads, etc:

Love this mixte with its curved laterals....


This machine was bought as a Peugeot, but it ain't!

It has all original parts except for SA front lamp & 3 speed hub etc. A definite improvement on the original 3/4 speed Cyclo RD.
I used the down-tube lever braze-on to add a stop for the SA cabling, which leaves it possible to return it to its original set up.
Has new tyres on the 650b rims & only the brake calipers 'let it down' right now. Love the twin rubbered pedals & cool Nervar chain-wheel. And the substantial alloy guards.
The address tag on the stem clamp also adds to its interest for me.



Bars would benefit from a re-chrome, but I love the shape & seek a better replacement when available: )
The SA trigger will have its cover replaced anon.
It is a 'work in progress' right now; )
It could use a twin sprung saddle, but the Turbo is a neat & comfortable option meanwhile.
Similar chain guard to the one common on Eatons Gliders
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@BigChief - I bought that exact brake for my Raleigh Twenty, switched the pinch bolt so the cable would come up from the bottom. As you noted the angle of the cable is off plus you can't open the caliper all the way because the arm hits part of the pinch bolt pieces. I ended up putting those brakes on the Raleigh Sport I traded with @gugie and also provided him with the original brakes.

I had gugie remove brake mounting plate on the R20 and braze on a real seat stay bridge at a lower level so I could use modern brakes.
@gster - I've seen gliders on my local CL at times. They look interesting. I believe I've read here that Raleigh made them for a Canadian department store, no?
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Originally Posted by gugie
Hey, I think I got the better end of that deal...I still have a few pumps and bags, but now I'm good to go on the next Portland Tweed ride!
Now we need to see photos of your trade!

Hopefully Tweed Ride will happen this year...
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Thanks to @gugie I now have more space in the garage as well as a nice 12" pump for the Raleigh Twenty AND a saddle bag. I traded my too large Raleigh Sports for the pump and the bag. What a great forum member.

Here are some photos along with close up of the replacement decals from VeloCals. Original rear brake caliper had routing from the bottom up, and now am using modern Tektro R559's so there's that unsightly bend in the brake cable. Oh well. The rack is a loved Bontrager and it's very sturdy. I'm using this rack so I can actually go do light grocery shopping with this bike.

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boy , that thing is really nice ..
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Thanks @michaelz28. I just realized that I do not own a spare 20" tube!!! Time to go shopping.
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Then, you've already tried it. So it does look like you would have to make a custom pinch bolt to align the cable. Well, if you ever feel like revisiting the cable routing, I think it could be done with a custom built pinch bolt. You would need a long enough stainless bolt, looks like maybe a 10-32, a sleeve or a bunch of washers, a die to clean up the threads after drilling the bolt and a flat nut to mount the adjuster. Not a lot of clearance there but enough for a flat nut.

I love the custom brake mount. So much nicer than the original big clunky plate.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
Now we need to see photos of your trade!

Hopefully Tweed Ride will happen this year...
You ask, I provide. I have a nice tweed jacket, need to go down to the local thrift store and get some tweed pants, and I'm good to go!

The thing about @Velocivixen you need to know is that she will tear down a bike, soak it in naval jelly, clean it spotless, wax it, grease it, replace worn consumables, etc. until the bike is restored as well as can be. Not a speck of dirt, every bearing well greased and adjusted better than factory condition.



It cost me a Minnehaha rear bag and a Pashley pump. I think you would all agree that I got the better end of the deal. I think there's some free torchwork in her future...
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Originally Posted by Bicyclz
Great thread & I hope I'm not out of line showing my 1960s French Diamant Mixte.
I've added a 3 speed Sturmey Archer running AM internals. Set up to run as a single speed in top gear, leaving two lower gears for hills, loads, etc:

Love this mixte with its curved laterals....
LOVE the new paint! Done by yourself?
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Originally Posted by gugie
You ask, I provide. I have a nice tweed jacket, need to go down to the local thrift store and get some tweed pants, and I'm good to go!

The thing about @Velocivixen you need to know is that she will tear down a bike, soak it in naval jelly, clean it spotless, wax it, grease it, replace worn consumables, etc. until the bike is restored as well as can be. Not a speck of dirt, every bearing well greased and adjusted better than factory condition.



It cost me a Minnehaha rear bag and a Pashley pump. I think you would all agree that I got the better end of the deal. I think there's some free torchwork in her future...
Nice! I was expecting to see a real beater...sort of like the bikes I buy. All freshly serviced too. Nice bike.
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Someone please buy this so I don't have to get a second, identical M23 Sports!

Raleigh 3-spd Bicycle

Raleigh 3-spd Bicycle - $65 (Chester)



2128 E. Hundred Rd
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model name / number: 3-spd

Nice Raleigh 3-spd bicycle in good condition for only $65.
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@gugie - I forgot to mention that when I attempted to true the front wheel I broke a spoke and noticed some nipples were rounded. Took the wheel to Sugar Wheel Works and they hooked me up with 4 spokes and some brass nipples. Look closely and you'll find them. The wheel is not true to my standards, however given condition of the rim and such, it's "good enough". Didn't want to break any more spokes. Thanks for the compliments. The baskets are large enough for you to actually haul your guests in them - no need for other bikes.
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Update on the 1971 Robin Hood Sports Model: The Robin Hood is wearing its new MEC Handlebar and Tool wrap/bags. Called Audax bags by MEC they suit the bike nicely.
The Robin Hood feels light and delicate beside Sir Wayes A. Tonne.
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^^ Nice addition to a stunning machine!
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Just beautiful...
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I decided this would be the winter I serviced our Sports' bottom brackets and SA hubs starting with the easy part, the BBs. I'd removed many a cotter back in the day and expected these cotters to be reluctant to come out so I took up @noglider's offer of his extractor. Ladies first; my wife's NDS crank came off like butter.

Drive side - oy vey. The threaded end of the cotter began to bend under the pressure of the extractor. Back to my roots! A mighty hammer blow, and the threaded end sheared right off. Now that the cotter materil was below grade in the crank arm I tried the extractor again and promptly broke 7-8mm off the end of the pin. At this point, war was declared.

Next casualty, my nail punch bent. Calling out heavier artillery, I used a beefy 'Easy Out' as a punch. It went in at an angle and drove itself into the crank arm material, stuck in as firmly as Excalibur in the stone.

Not accepting defeat, I sawed off the protruding end of the cotter head, and began to drill...lost a few bits in the process but today I got through and removed enough material to remove the Easy Out with the help of penetrating oil (sadly, the Lady of the Lake did not appear and Crown me as King).

I think I'm going to marinade it overnight with some more penetrating oil overnight and will drill/file some more. I'll need to replace the drive side crank arm and heron chainwheel, and I am wondering if I should leave my '66 alone...
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Sometimes it takes time and a lot of brutish work. I spent a couple of hours getting a cotter out of my former UO-8. I drilled right down the center of the cotter to remove material. Then with lots of grunting and sweating and swearing, I drove a punch through it to mangle it further. It took a long time and a lot of sweat. It came out.
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Originally Posted by Bicyclz

Do you have the bare cable running through those braze-ons? Why not run it loose directly to where the cable starts?
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Similar chain guard to the one common on Eatons Gliders
That chain guard was for the 5 speed derailleur models like the Raleigh Sprite. Similar to the OPs in a way. Love the stem on that BTW,
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Originally Posted by thumpism
Someone please buy this so I don't have to get a second, identical M23 Sports!

Raleigh 3-spd Bicycle

Raleigh 3-spd Bicycle - $65 (Chester)



2128 E. Hundred Rd
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Nice Raleigh 3-spd bicycle in good condition for only $65.
A large frame is a good find, many look for them.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Sometimes it takes time and a lot of brutish work.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Thanks to @gugie I now have more space in the garage as well as a nice 12" pump for the Raleigh Twenty AND a saddle bag. I traded my too large Raleigh Sports for the pump and the bag. What a great forum member.

Here are some photos along with close up of the replacement decals from VeloCals. Original rear brake caliper had routing from the bottom up, and now am using modern Tektro R559's so there's that unsightly bend in the brake cable. Oh well. The rack is a loved Bontrager and it's very sturdy. I'm using this rack so I can actually go do light grocery shopping with this bike.

12" Frame Pump R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr

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Close Up Frame Pump by velocivixen, on Flickr
I'd be afraid to take that bike out.....It's too perfect.
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