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Old 01-22-16, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ascherer
Dreads? His name's Hal. He's something else.
Hal is definitely the man. I'm glad I found him.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
I always have spare ball bearings handy when I work on my Raleighs. Funny how they can hit the floor and bounce into some parallel universe.
25 5/32" for each head tube cup and 10 1/4" for each BB cup.
I believe it is 11 per BB cup.
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Originally Posted by gster
Here's one with a Dynohub. 1969 Sprite
I may be biased because it looks like my Superbe but that's a nice bike. Yours or a random internet photo?
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Originally Posted by noglider
Hal is definitely the man. I'm glad I found him.
If I remember correctly, there's a vid of Hal walking around NYC, grading people's bike locking ability.

Oh, here they are:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+bike+locking+
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Don't know how many of you look at the Touring forum, but there's an interesting discussion going on now:
https://www.bikeforums.net/touring/10...g-3-gears.html
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Thanks for the side link. Touring on a 3 speed would be nice for my area.
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Originally Posted by Narhay
I may be biased because it looks like my Superbe but that's a nice bike. Yours or a random internet photo?
Interweb....
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
If I remember correctly, there's a vid of Hal walking around NYC, grading people's bike locking ability.

Oh, here they are:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+bike+locking+
Yup, that's Hal. I remember seeing these videos a couple of years ago and didn't make the connection when I met him a couple of weeks ago.
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Since it is too nasty to do much outside (other than snow & ice remediation) I decided to work on a crusty, rusty Raleigh Sports that I picked up a few weeks ago. When I first looked at it, I thought it was black with a rust patina, but upon further inspection it is root beer. I had cleaned up the front wheel a week ago, and have done my best to straighten the front axle that was bent. It is not perfect, but good enough IMO.

Today I finished the bottom bracket and put the crankset back on the frame. There are still 3 places where the PO's 30 year old electrical tape is still present. The last layer of which is stuck to the frame more tenaciously than the paint. Here are a few photos:
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Originally Posted by noglider
Yup, that's Hal. I remember seeing these videos a couple of years ago and didn't make the connection when I met him a couple of weeks ago.
I suspect I met him under similar circumstances as you. I don't remember what I was looking for, but it was vintage. The young 'uns on the sales floor thought I was speaking Martian, so they said, "Let's ask Hal!" He had a repair stand right up front in the old store (about a block downtown). He knew what I was looking for immediately (didn't have any) but we spent the next 20 minutes or so down the nostalgia rabbit hole all while he was a non-stop ball of energy slinging flats for delivery guys.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
There are still 3 places where the PO's 30 year old electrical tape is still present. The last layer of which is stuck to the frame more tenaciously than the paint.
My Humber still wears 3 or 4 stripes of what was once metallic red reflective tape on the white tail of the rear fender. I have tried removing it with a razor and it lifts paint even if you pick at it a micro at a time.....
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Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
I'm guilty of putting on some modern (but classic looking) parts on my bikes. I'd like to see how that works out for you.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
I think someone on BF has used them and they worked well. I've used the front drum brake, and it's very good. I think you would be continuing the spirit of the bike if you used them. Please go ahead.

Hmm, maybe you should put snow tires on it. Drum brakes and snow tires: what could keep you off the roads? I rode in the blizzard today just for fun.
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Originally Posted by markk900
My Humber still wears 3 or 4 stripes of what was once metallic red reflective tape on the white tail of the rear fender. I have tried removing it with a razor and it lifts paint even if you pick at it a micro at a time.....
So many 3 speeds in Ontario seemed to get this treatment, I've seen City of London red reflective stickers on the seat-stays of some of them. They are all quite tenacious in their adhesion even after 30 or 40 years. Personally I just leave 'em now.

Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
I've been running a 70mm front drum brake on my all-season fixed gear bike and it works nicely. I haven't done any maintenance to it in 5 years besides opening the barrel adjuster a bit. It does take a while to brake the pads in though, so I did ride it with a bit of drag in an attempt to speed that process up. I built my housemate a 3 speed drum rear along with a front X-FDD and that's been going strong for a year. The hardware that comes with these has poor chrome plating on it and it's corroded quickly in our salty winter roads. I grease (or anti-seize) all the threads on the barrel adjusters. I broke a wire inside an X-FDD by apparently not having the nuts torqued down enough, but S-A sent me a new one under warranty, so avoid spinning the hub without cranking the nuts down tight. Apparently S-A is working on a new 5 speed hub that has a rotary shifter so I might be tempted to build one up in the future; they are apparently for sale now online.

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
Yes m'am... I have the wheels built, just haven't gotten them mounted on a bike yet. If you plan on mounting it on a Raleigh Sport you will probably need to A) spread the forks and B) file the drop outs to make them a bit larger. I built my wheels to go on an old Raleigh Record frame set that I have, but they may end up on something else first, like my Dawes.

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
Originally Posted by wahoonc
Yes m'am... I have the wheels built, just haven't gotten them mounted on a bike yet. If you plan on mounting it on a Raleigh Sport you will probably need to A) spread the forks and B) file the drop outs to make them a bit larger. I built my wheels to go on an old Raleigh Record frame set that I have, but they may end up on something else first, like my Dawes.

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I have an SA XL-FDD dynamo drum on my winter bike. Not a crime at all. Stopping is good. As Aaron says, you'll need to file the fork ends to fit the axle and re-space to 100mm.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Yes m'am... I have the wheels built, just haven't gotten them mounted on a bike yet. If you plan on mounting it on a Raleigh Sport you will probably need to A) spread the forks and B) file the drop outs to make them a bit larger. I built my wheels to go on an old Raleigh Record frame set that I have, but they may end up on something else first, like my Dawes.

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I have an SA XL-FDD dynamo drum on my winter bike. Not a crime at all. Stopping is good. As Aaron says, you'll need to file the fork ends to fit the axle and re-space to 100mm.
Another caveat... DO NOT use compression less brake cables and housing, it will overload the system and likely cause catastrophic fork failure.

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Martin at Hoop Driver Bicycles here in Toronto is moving and is having a clear out sale (Last day today).
I picked up 4 sets of the mini fenders that I like as well as two vintage leather saddles for $20.00 each.
The Ideal saddle has found a home on this Glider 2 Speed Kick Back project.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Anyone have any experience with Sturmey Archer modern dynamo drum brake hubs? I think the model is XL-FDD for the 90mm. Would it be a crime to build new, aluminum rimmed wheels using this for a vintage (1970's) Raleigh Sport? Would I be banned from the forum?
My friend Steve built a 70's Sports with modern S-A drum brakes. Seems to work well.



Originally Posted by wahoonc
Another caveat... DO NOT use compression less brake cables and housing, it will overload the system and likely cause catastrophic fork failure.
Which is what I believe happened here:
The Smut Pedaller: Braking... Bad: Part 1



He replaced the fork, but then noticed a few months later that the tubing was starting to separate from the lugs at the headtube. So I guess this is the extreme "cautionary tale" of drum brakes on old three speeds.
The Smut Pedaller: An Unfortunate end...
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Originally Posted by ascherer
I decided this would be the winter I serviced our Sports' bottom brackets and SA hubs starting with the easy part, the BBs. I'd removed many a cotter back in the day and expected these cotters to be reluctant to come out so I took up @noglider's offer of his extractor. Ladies first; my wife's NDS crank came off like butter.

Drive side - oy vey.
Finally got the chainwheel off, and glad I did because the BB is way too tight. Had it spun nicely I wouldn't have felt as justified. There's a bit of drill-out on the cotter face of the spindle but I think it shouldn't be much of a problem. I did more damage to the head side of the cotter hole on the crank arm. I'll see how it hangs when I put it back together. If I can I'll load some pics when I get back to it.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
My friend Steve built a 70's Sports with modern S-A drum brakes. Seems to work well.





Which is what I believe happened here:
The Smut Pedaller: Braking... Bad: Part 1



He replaced the fork, but then noticed a few months later that the tubing was starting to separate from the lugs at the headtube. So I guess this is the extreme "cautionary tale" of drum brakes on old three speeds.
The Smut Pedaller: An Unfortunate end...
I read that article....
That's some serious damage.
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