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Old 05-09-16, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChief
A picture would help. Are you talking about the casing cap that connects the casing to the shifter?
I'll take a picture later this afternoon. No, it's not that cap. It is at what I would label the top of the shifter if looking down on it. There is a narrow piece/band of metal which seems spring loaded and snaps into the notches on the trigger when changing gears. It is sandwiched between the sides of the case.

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Old 05-09-16, 10:55 AM
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Neal has saved the day!
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Old 05-09-16, 11:10 AM
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Question for anyone who's rebuilt 28" roadster wheels - does anyone know what the ERD is? I'm planning to buy a pair of NOS Westwood rims, I think Dunlop
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Question for anyone who's rebuilt 28" roadster wheels - does anyone know what the ERD is? I'm planning to buy a pair of NOS Westwood rims, I think Dunlop

40-635, 700B (700 x 38mm) = 28" x 1.5"
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Old 05-09-16, 12:34 PM
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Thanks, but I'm looking for ERD for spoke length, not ETRTO for tire sizing
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Originally Posted by BigChief
A picture would help. Are you talking about the casing cap that connects the casing to the shifter?
@slowtostart is referring to the pawl which has a pawl spring on it - you know, keeps the shift lever in desired gear.
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@slowtostart: I assume Neal has come up with a replacement shifter....that pawl spring is replaceable but only if you take the entire shifter apart *and* have the requisite replacement pieces. For a 70s bike the shifters are readily available (usually only the plastic is broken....
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@slowtostart is referring to the pawl which has a pawl spring on it - you know, keeps the shift lever in desired gear.
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Originally Posted by markk900
@slowtostart: I assume Neal has come up with a replacement shifter....that pawl spring is replaceable but only if you take the entire shifter apart *and* have the requisite replacement pieces. For a 70s bike the shifters are readily available (usually only the plastic is broken....
Mark, yes, Neal has offered a replacement. The damage exceeds the plastic. The missing, snapped off metal, coincides with the broken plastic.

Anyone else experienced this shifter issue?
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Yes - I have one as well with the end of the pawl spring snapped off....but I also have a local shop with a box full of them if you don't mind scratched or cracked plastic....bought just the shifter for maybe $5....
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This is not an English 3 speed, nor does it have a Sturmey Archer hub; but I have never seen a 3 speed hub with a coaster brake and the bell crank on the same side. Did Shimano do this?
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Yes, @dweenk, that's a Shimano hub, and not a very durable one.
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Now that wasn't so bad was it?
Yeeeaaaahh!!
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Originally Posted by dweenk
This is not an English 3 speed, nor does it have a Sturmey Archer hub; but I have never seen a 3 speed hub with a coaster brake and the bell crank on the same side. Did Shimano do this?
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its not very vintage .. walmart bike . my 69 stingray uses a SA hub
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Originally Posted by dweenk
This is not an English 3 speed, nor does it have a Sturmey Archer hub; but I have never seen a 3 speed hub with a coaster brake and the bell crank on the same side. Did Shimano do this?
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Yes, @dweenk, that's a Shimano hub, and not a very durable one.
Those are from '83 or '84 and made for Schwinn by Giant, I believe. Not a Walmart bike. A Decent, lightweight lugged frame. I thought that was a decent Shimano hub, though.
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Just got home from a 44ish mile ride up to Salem and back on my '37 Raleigh roadster, including a fair amount of gravel paths. I know I really shouldn't be surprised by this, and I suppose I'm not, but I'm really impressed by how well it handled the gravel parts! I also saw a '70s DL-1 locked up outside a bike shop in Salem (an employee told me it's owned by someone who works in an office above them and rides it every day). A friend in Salem took some great pictures of my bike, too, much better than the ones I've taken so far.








Here are a few that I took along the ride:




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The bike and that path just look so awesome !
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@agmetal - when you say "Salem" and I see you're in MA, I immediately think of witches. That bike seems like it would be home in Salem. It's very pretty.

We have a Salem in Oregon, but unfortunately there are no witches.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
@agmetal - when you say "Salem" and I see you're in MA, I immediately think of witches. That bike seems like it would be home in Salem. It's very pretty.

We have a Salem in Oregon, but unfortunately there are no witches.
Yep, that's the one. I rode right past the Salem Witch Museum. I've been up there a few times, but have actually never had a chance to check that museum out.
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It is surprising how well these roadsters handle unpaved and generally poor road surfaces. You would think, since they're so old fashioned, that they would be bone shakers on uneven surfaces. I think they ride just as well as the modern department store all purpose bikes on our rural, stoney, New England back roads.
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Yep, that's the one. I rode right past the Salem Witch Museum. I've been up there a few times, but have actually never had a chance to check that museum out.
I am always impressed by how well these bikes age. If you can find one that hasn't been left outside to rust, they develop a patina like faded denim or well-worn leather. Your `37 is a prime example of this. As long as you keep them lubricated, they will virtually run forever. Definitely built to last. I can't think of any modern bicycles that fit that mold, other than maybe a Pashley. But then that's just a modern copy of your roadster anyway. Are there any other modern bikes that will stand the test of time like an old Raleigh?
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Originally Posted by BigChief
It is surprising how well these roadsters handle unpaved and generally poor road surfaces. You would think, since they're so old fashioned, that they would be bone shakers on uneven surfaces. I think they ride just as well as the modern department store all purpose bikes on our rural, stoney, New England back roads.
I don't find it surprising at all...I mean, think about it - you've got a bike that was used in rural pre-WWII England, and is still popular in the developing world. I can't imagine those areas had/have roads that are in great condition...
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Just got home from a 44ish mile ride up to Salem and back on my '37 Raleigh roadster, including a fair amount of gravel paths. I know I really shouldn't be surprised by this, and I suppose I'm not, but I'm really impressed by how well it handled the gravel parts!
FWIW, its arguable that the original design from which the DL-1 derives was the world's first mountain bike. Much of the 3rd world's mail was delivered on such machines, on single-track in the middle of nowhere (or at least so close, you could see it from there).

Take a close look at the images in the background on the home page of the Tour Divide site. They are 3-speed rod brake machines, apparently doing a bit of bikepacking.
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@agmetal: Beautiful bike, this shifter alone !

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