For the love of English 3 speeds...
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Anyone come across a WH Cartwright bike before?
The bike has Sturmey Archer 3 speed and is a ladies model.
It has what looks like an integrated headset with internal cups.
Pics to follow.
Also bottom bracket is made by Bayliss Wiley England.
Only mention I can find is in Graces Guide.
W. H. Cartwright and Sons
Sorry for the poor quality of the pic
The bike has Sturmey Archer 3 speed and is a ladies model.
It has what looks like an integrated headset with internal cups.
Pics to follow.
Also bottom bracket is made by Bayliss Wiley England.
Only mention I can find is in Graces Guide.
W. H. Cartwright and Sons
Sorry for the poor quality of the pic
W.H. Cartwright and sons were the business proprietors.
Your All Strength is a worthy candidate to restore for being one of the more obscure English bicycles and the mix of components. The choice of Monitor branded brakes, where the more usual Phillips is found, along with the headset and bottom bracket sets the All Strength outside of the normal small builders fare. If the chain ring happens to be a Williams, it can be useful for date identification.
Here is a link to a UK forum where the final response is the grandson of W.H. Cartwright who may be able to provide you with some useful information: All Strength Bicycle 1954 Info Please - Cycling UK Forum
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Thanks for the response.
Its in quite a bad way, but I will try to date it.
The head badge is very faded only the words are really visible.
The bottom bracket being Bayliss Wiley is also sought after.
Some more PlusGas to the rusty bolts should help.
Its in quite a bad way, but I will try to date it.
The head badge is very faded only the words are really visible.
The bottom bracket being Bayliss Wiley is also sought after.
Some more PlusGas to the rusty bolts should help.
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I'm glad to be of assistance. Please keep us updated on your progress, I have an interest in the lesser known marques.
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Here's a new Raleigh 3-speed project for me, which I picked up today. Rear hub is dated 1970, and I suspect the hockey-stick chain guard is a replacement as its font doesn't match the font on the downtube (but I could be wrong). Then again, I associate that block Raleigh font with earlier than 1970, so who knows what is original here?! Saddle is an Ideale mod. 6. Oddest thing is that there's a right-side trigger and a left-side trigger, but the left side cable isn't attached to anything. Perhaps it was fitted with a 5-speed hub at some point?



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Here's a new Raleigh 3-speed project for me, which I picked up today. Rear hub is dated 1970, and I suspect the hockey-stick chain guard is a replacement as its font doesn't match the font on the downtube (but I could be wrong). Then again, I associate that block Raleigh font with earlier than 1970, so who knows what is original here?! Saddle is an Ideale mod. 6. Oddest thing is that there's a right-side trigger and a left-side trigger, but the left side cable isn't attached to anything. Perhaps it was fitted with a 5-speed hub at some point?




Here's a restored '74 with the same chain guard. (not mine).
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This ad for a 1962 Raleigh Superbe is interesting as it suggests that the Dynohub can be put to use to provide lighting in a fall-out shelter...


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edit: That's a really odd 74 DL-1 if it is original. A 74 would normally have the Raleigh Tourist chainguard, a heron chainwheel without brackets and no pin striping.
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Slightly OT as it's about an English 5-speed: I had a fun experience this past weekend while vacationing in the Berkshires. My wife and I needed a few bits from the local bike shop. While there I noticed a handsome Raleigh Sprite waiting near the repair zone. After selecting a few items I went back to see it again. By then the owner and a mechanic (kinda hipsterish, with an oiled and curled handlebar moustache, and model-quality hairstyling) were bent over it, and it was clear that they couldn't figure out something about the front hub. I asked, "Is it binding?" The mechanic said yes. so I said, "Old Raleigh hubs have an unusual setup with a fixed cone on one side. That needs to be on the right side, or the other cone will just tighten itself up. Pull the wheel and you'll see one side won't have wrench flats." The mechanic had a look of amazement - he'd never heard of suchlike. I joined my wife to render an opinion on some gloves she was trying on, and then checked back at the shop - the wheel was off, the mechanic affirmed his new lesson, and the owner thanked me. My work there was done!
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Here's a new Raleigh 3-speed project for me, which I picked up today. Rear hub is dated 1970, and I suspect the hockey-stick chain guard is a replacement as its font doesn't match the font on the downtube (but I could be wrong). Then again, I associate that block Raleigh font with earlier than 1970, so who knows what is original here?! Saddle is an Ideale mod. 6. Oddest thing is that there's a right-side trigger and a left-side trigger, but the left side cable isn't attached to anything. Perhaps it was fitted with a 5-speed hub at some point?
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Slightly OT as it's about an English 5-speed: I had a fun experience this past weekend while vacationing in the Berkshires. My wife and I needed a few bits from the local bike shop. While there I noticed a handsome Raleigh Sprite waiting near the repair zone. After selecting a few items I went back to see it again. By then the owner and a mechanic (kinda hipsterish, with an oiled and curled handlebar moustache, and model-quality hairstyling) were bent over it, and it was clear that they couldn't figure out something about the front hub. I asked, "Is it binding?" The mechanic said yes. so I said, "Old Raleigh hubs have an unusual setup with a fixed cone on one side. That needs to be on the right side, or the other cone will just tighten itself up. Pull the wheel and you'll see one side won't have wrench flats." The mechanic had a look of amazement - he'd never heard of suchlike. I joined my wife to render an opinion on some gloves she was trying on, and then checked back at the shop - the wheel was off, the mechanic affirmed his new lesson, and the owner thanked me. My work there was done!
it must have made your day right in the middle of a vacation.
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Hello again,
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:

How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:

How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
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Hello again,
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:
How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:
How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
The Bikesmith fixed cup tool is the best solution. Also, check out their cotter press. BB Fixed Cup Tool for English 3 Speeds
Sheldon Brown also had a solution where you stack washers and use a large bolt. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tooltips/bbcups.html
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I don't know how likely it is, but it seems conceivable that Raleigh didn't leave the BB that tight, that some boneheaded owner or shop mechanic did that in an overhaul. I've seen Chinese made bikes ship with bearings too tight but never old English bikes.
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I just bought two English 3 speeds:



An unknown year (some help would be appreciated...), rather clean Hercules "Royal Prince" made in Birmingham...





...and a "barn fresh" 1953 Rudge.
An unknown year (some help would be appreciated...), rather clean Hercules "Royal Prince" made in Birmingham...
...and a "barn fresh" 1953 Rudge.
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Thanks!
ok i guess i will order this tool and some spare parts, meanwhile also have another older Raleigh, and you never know
Hope i get the parts, will need a new or good used axle, balls for the bearings and cotters.
Thanks a lot, i did not expect such surprises when i bought it..
Have a nice weekend (or do you say have a good we?)
Kai
ok i guess i will order this tool and some spare parts, meanwhile also have another older Raleigh, and you never know

Hope i get the parts, will need a new or good used axle, balls for the bearings and cotters.
Thanks a lot, i did not expect such surprises when i bought it..

Have a nice weekend (or do you say have a good we?)
Kai
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Thanks!
ok i guess i will order this tool and some spare parts, meanwhile also have another older Raleigh, and you never know
Hope i get the parts, will need a new or good used axle, balls for the bearings and cotters.
Thanks a lot, i did not expect such surprises when i bought it..
Have a nice weekend (or do you say have a good we?)
Kai
ok i guess i will order this tool and some spare parts, meanwhile also have another older Raleigh, and you never know

Hope i get the parts, will need a new or good used axle, balls for the bearings and cotters.
Thanks a lot, i did not expect such surprises when i bought it..

Have a nice weekend (or do you say have a good we?)
Kai
I hope they're not damaged. Bottom brackets are hard to find. That's one reason I never pass up a wrecked bike.
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Hello again,
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:

How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
after managing to assemble all i had found out that there were bad clunking noises two times a revolution, heard in first gear. So since i had just opened that, i wanted to have a look at the chainwheel, chain, and bottom bracket first, before dismantling all the rear again.
Luckily, i did that, I was really in for a treat. This bicycle has been used for maybe a 100 kilometers since new from 1979 or 80, stored away for decades. Every each ball bearing and cones are damaged. All of them. Some seem not to have one drop of oil in it. The bottom bracket was "adjusted" much too tight and, without oil or grease, is completely destroyed. Maybe those sounds came from there, at least i have to repair that. WTF did they do at the Raleigh works back then??
Now, after managing to get out this cottered cranks and the bottom bracket there are lots of loose balls in it, obviously they never bothered about ball cages. But apart from having to put them or new ones all back in at the right place, i want to get out the opposite outer "whatever-it's-called" thing. Is this even screwed in? The paint goes all over it, looks like one part. There is also no definite point to use a tool for unscrewing, only two very flat embossments:

How do i get this part off?
Thanks and greetings,
Kai
Loose bearings are better than caged (caged were cheaper and quicker to install).