For the love of English 3 speeds...
07-31-16, 07:24 PM
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I owned a rod-drum bike made for the Danish market by Raleigh. It was a'64. I sold it a couple of years ago. The system is interesting, but quite heavy between the rods, bell cranks, and drums.
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It appears to have a Hercules hub with a SA 3/4 speed trigger. decals look good as well (from the photo).
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So, it is an original finish. Couldn't tell from the other pic. Beautiful!! I couldn't pass that one up. Really nice.
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@gster The 3 50's catalogs I have only have green and black finishes but the 1949 catalog shows a red enamel but without a full chaincase. Maybe a restoration or a different model? It looks impeccable!
07-31-16, 08:23 PM
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@gster The 3 50's catalogs I have only have green and black finishes but the 1949 catalog shows a red enamel but without a full chaincase. Maybe a restoration or a different model? It looks impeccable!
07-31-16, 10:46 PM
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I often ride my bicycle on snow, ice, and sometimes even black ice. And I don't know about motorcycles, but on bicycle with the front wheel locking on a slippery surface, there's no way you can save that. That's where my thinking comes from. So if the leaves start to fall, I screw the front rodbrake a bit looser, the nut is designed to do that by hand so probably the manufacturer had thought about this issue with linked brakes. Also with seperate handbrakes, I disconnect the front when it's slippery, because I applie them both or the one whichever hand is free, and that's not a safe habit in slippery conditions.
It's still about the brake design of an English 3-speed, so I don't think it's that far off topic.
It's still about the brake design of an English 3-speed, so I don't think it's that far off topic.
07-31-16, 11:31 PM
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Just to clarify... those trips on motorcycles... twice on a Kawasaki 500 and thrice on a HD Sportster.
The song remains the same; watch those panic/quick stops in inclement weather.
The song remains the same; watch those panic/quick stops in inclement weather.
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And even normal stops at traffic lights after a light rain. Especially in the center of the lane.
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It's not a light weight bike, anyway. Rods and drums might add about 1/2 kilo to the weight I guess, but that's only about 2% to the bike, and probably 0.5% to the total weight. Maybe it's more but it doesn't really matter. Either you have a light weight bike to do a lot of climbing, or store it upstairs, or you ride it mainly on flat roads and then the weight is part of the nice ride. A light bike will never have such a ride, it's just different. If you want to save weight you'll have to take all the good stuff off and the saddle has too much metal on it too.
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Bought this Armstrong awhile back and recently rebuilt all the mechanicals. SA AW hub marked 1955. Altenburger Brillant brakes. Rixe saddle "made in Japan". And a bottle generator lighting system. Next up are cosmetic improvements. It's clear the bike was originally light blue, then painted red, now black. But evidence is it was painted black probably in the 1960's.
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I just picked up this 1969 Sports for my wife. She's pretty sure she will like it, but I have put off a complete overhaul until we make sure of that. Somewhat battered condition, but evidently low miles; no brake wear on the rims, and it still has its original Dunlop tires and tubes.
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1975 Raleigh Sports
I picked up this neglected but low mileage Sports last week for a good price. I gave it a good clean/repack and tune up and it's on it's way to a new home with a young woman I work with. She got an old CCM 3 speed from me earlier in the year and I've offered her a straight trade. The Raleigh is a much better bike all around.
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Hercules hub dating
Here is the article I found about it:
There's a recent thread on Bike Forums that sheds some light on hercumatic hub dating. Start with this post and follow the discussion:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/778645-Yet-Another-Hercules-Thread-)?p=13434506&viewfull=1#post13434506
The gist of it is that A Type started in 1943 with the date code 3, cycling through the digits until they went to the B Type in 1953, so...
A TYPE 3 = 1943
A TYPE 9 = 1949
A TYPE 0 = 1950
A TYPE 2 = 1952
B TYPE 3 = 1953
I'll let you fill in the blanks and extrapolate from there!
Whether this is correct, or not, I offer no opinion. It does, however, follow the same (questionable) logic as Sturmey Archer dating (where AW 9 = 1939 and AW 0 = 1940).
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08-01-16, 09:31 AM
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I recently picked up a pre Raleigh Hercules and did a bit of research on the hub. Mine is a type B with the number 5.
Here is the article I found about it:
There's a recent thread on Bike Forums that sheds some light on hercumatic hub dating. Start with this post and follow the discussion:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/778645-Yet-Another-Hercules-Thread-)?p=13434506&viewfull=1#post13434506
The gist of it is that A Type started in 1943 with the date code 3, cycling through the digits until they went to the B Type in 1953, so...
A TYPE 3 = 1943
A TYPE 9 = 1949
A TYPE 0 = 1950
A TYPE 2 = 1952
B TYPE 3 = 1953
I'll let you fill in the blanks and extrapolate from there!
Whether this is correct, or not, I offer no opinion. It does, however, follow the same (questionable) logic as Sturmey Archer dating (where AW 9 = 1939 and AW 0 = 1940).
Rudi Mayr
Here is the article I found about it:
There's a recent thread on Bike Forums that sheds some light on hercumatic hub dating. Start with this post and follow the discussion:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/778645-Yet-Another-Hercules-Thread-)?p=13434506&viewfull=1#post13434506
The gist of it is that A Type started in 1943 with the date code 3, cycling through the digits until they went to the B Type in 1953, so...
A TYPE 3 = 1943
A TYPE 9 = 1949
A TYPE 0 = 1950
A TYPE 2 = 1952
B TYPE 3 = 1953
I'll let you fill in the blanks and extrapolate from there!
Whether this is correct, or not, I offer no opinion. It does, however, follow the same (questionable) logic as Sturmey Archer dating (where AW 9 = 1939 and AW 0 = 1940).
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I soke to the seller and the hub is A Type 0 (1950)
Will go see it tomorrow.
08-01-16, 11:24 AM
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Gster: How much is the herc?
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Has anyone here ridden a pre-Raleigh Phillips roadster? How does it compare, in terms of ride quality and handling, to a Raleigh of the same era?
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When you say "roadster," are you referring to the bikes with the rod brakes? @Velocivixen had a pre-Raleigh Philips, but it had caliper brakes and 26" wheels. She put a lot of work into it and then moved it on, if I remember correctly.
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Another three/four speed has showed up.My brother had it in his shed for the last
15 years.
The Dynohub says its 1960, rear hub date gone as the chrome has peeled just in the wrong place !
However, the lugs on the frame look older to me and the frame number is stamped
on the bottom bracket and reads 911252 although the 1's look like I's.
From Sheldon Brown this frame number is from 1925.
Rear hub says three speed, but the shifter and chain selector is 4 speed.
Rear pannier looks older than 1960 too.
Also comes with wing nuts on wheels, brookes b66,
Looks like green original with black overpaint.
What does the panel think ?
15 years.
The Dynohub says its 1960, rear hub date gone as the chrome has peeled just in the wrong place !
However, the lugs on the frame look older to me and the frame number is stamped
on the bottom bracket and reads 911252 although the 1's look like I's.
From Sheldon Brown this frame number is from 1925.
Rear hub says three speed, but the shifter and chain selector is 4 speed.
Rear pannier looks older than 1960 too.
Also comes with wing nuts on wheels, brookes b66,
Looks like green original with black overpaint.
What does the panel think ?
08-02-16, 09:26 AM
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^^ with a lug like that for the cable pulley, its certainly older than 1960.
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Another three/four speed has showed up.My brother had it in his shed for the last
15 years.
The Dynohub says its 1960, rear hub date gone as the chrome has peeled just in the wrong place !
However, the lugs on the frame look older to me and the frame number is stamped
on the bottom bracket and reads 911252 although the 1's look like I's.
From Sheldon Brown this frame number is from 1925.
Rear hub says three speed, but the shifter and chain selector is 4 speed.
Rear pannier looks older than 1960 too.
Also comes with wing nuts on wheels, brookes b66,
Looks like green original with black overpaint.
What does the panel think ?
15 years.
The Dynohub says its 1960, rear hub date gone as the chrome has peeled just in the wrong place !
However, the lugs on the frame look older to me and the frame number is stamped
on the bottom bracket and reads 911252 although the 1's look like I's.
From Sheldon Brown this frame number is from 1925.
Rear hub says three speed, but the shifter and chain selector is 4 speed.
Rear pannier looks older than 1960 too.
Also comes with wing nuts on wheels, brookes b66,
Looks like green original with black overpaint.
What does the panel think ?
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