For the love of English 3 speeds...
10-28-16, 10:29 AM
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While enjoying a brew at our local pub last Thursday,an older friend came in, sat down and asked me if I owned a three speed. Seemed like an odd question seeing he had seen me riding my DL1 the week before. He reached in his pocket and pulled out a shiny new shifter and cable end and offered it to me. He recalled picking it up in the late eighties early nineties in Arizona at a bike shop and never ended up putting it on a bike. It says "made in england" but I dont recall that faceplate design. Any ideas on year?
10-28-16, 03:24 PM
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Yeah, I think I'm gonna give it a shot. The shifter(s) on eBay got bid up beyond what I'm prepared to pay at the moment. I've also found a NOS lever for a quadrant shifter, so I should only need to make the housing for it
10-28-16, 04:11 PM
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Here's a cutie:
small 1970 - Raleigh Space Rider girls 3 speed w/ 24" wheels
small 1970 - Raleigh Space Rider girls 3 speed w/ 24" wheels - $150 (Alexandria)
condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
model name / number: Space Rider
size / dimensions: 24"wheel for 4'6'' rider
rare 1970 made in Nottingham England girls 24 inch Raleigh Space Rider - small 40cm lugged step through frame - Sturmey Archer 3 speed with coaster brake 24 inch wheels - like new tires - new chain - front hand brake - Brooks mattress saddle - paint is a little rough but chrome is nice - ready to ride vintage British Three speed for riders around 4'6''
small 1970 - Raleigh Space Rider girls 3 speed w/ 24" wheels
small 1970 - Raleigh Space Rider girls 3 speed w/ 24" wheels - $150 (Alexandria)
condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
model name / number: Space Rider
size / dimensions: 24"wheel for 4'6'' rider
rare 1970 made in Nottingham England girls 24 inch Raleigh Space Rider - small 40cm lugged step through frame - Sturmey Archer 3 speed with coaster brake 24 inch wheels - like new tires - new chain - front hand brake - Brooks mattress saddle - paint is a little rough but chrome is nice - ready to ride vintage British Three speed for riders around 4'6''
10-28-16, 06:40 PM
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edit: Just thinking...the case doesn't have to be a quadrant. You could make it from anything. The image of a round shifter made from an old silver half dollar popped into my mind. Nobody else in town would have a TT shifter with a profile of Ben Franklin...nobody!
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The lever is, by far, the most time consuming piece to build. Does the NOS lever have the spring already attached? If it does, you're 80% there. I think this shifter will look really nice with a new brass case.
edit: Just thinking...the case doesn't have to be a quadrant. You could make it from anything. The image of a round shifter made from an old silver half dollar popped into my mind. Nobody else in town would have a TT shifter with a profile of Ben Franklin...nobody!
edit: Just thinking...the case doesn't have to be a quadrant. You could make it from anything. The image of a round shifter made from an old silver half dollar popped into my mind. Nobody else in town would have a TT shifter with a profile of Ben Franklin...nobody!
10-29-16, 05:54 AM
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If you take the black cover off (or it breaks off) the shifter looks identical to the ones with the clear plastic cover. Just the black plastic on the lever to give things away!
10-29-16, 11:16 AM
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Took a chance and caught in the rain on my fenderless roadster today. First time I could have used fenders. Might get to that someday. Got totally soaked. What's a little extra mud.
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10-29-16, 11:22 AM
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The MKS Sylvan Touring is a copy of the Lyotard 460 which is available in British thread and looks more the part. The Lyotard has better bearings and weighs a little less, unless you opt for the chrome version instead of the alloy version. The Lyotard 460 was designed before the war and was in production into the late 70s or early 80s. Its my favorite pedal.
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10-29-16, 05:45 PM
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I'd be more inclined to say the MKS is the successor to the Lyotard 460 rather than a copy of it. Check the photos below and see if you can distinguish significant differences. Having used both, I'll take the MKS.
Lyotard.
MKS
Lyotard.
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10-30-16, 06:17 PM
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10-31-16, 01:17 PM
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I've got both- I use the MKS when I can't find a set of Lyotards for a project. But a lot depends on what that project is- if there is intention to be period, then the Lyotard of course, but I find that in direct comparison the Lyotard is lighter and the bearings are far freer so I often install them on newer builds. The MKS has seals and like most vintage pedals the Lyotards don't, but OTOH I've had the same Lyotards on one of my bikes going back to the mid 1970s and the bearings are still really good. So I've tended to discount that as an advantage although there are probably circumstances where it is.
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10-31-16, 02:39 PM
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11-01-16, 09:10 AM
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This one has become my main everyday bike. The saddle bags are very handy for visits to the grocery or beer store. The mattress saddle was badly split so it's been replaced with an old Wright's composite saddle. The paint is rough on this one so it's a good working bike.
I'm not sure what bike these bars and stem came from originally. I bought them from George at Parts Unknown, but I quite like them.
I'm not sure what bike these bars and stem came from originally. I bought them from George at Parts Unknown, but I quite like them.
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I got this Raleigh Sports camelback a while ago. I have cleaned it up some, treated the fenders and chain guard with OA and clear coated them. The bottom bracket and headset bearings were cleaned and lubricated, the rear wheel cleaned up fairly well, but the front wheel may be beyond hope.
It is too small for me and doesn't appeal my wife or son, so I think it will become a rafter hanger (think "top shelf" for Andy's broken toys in "Toy Story"). Sometimes the rafter hangers do get a second chance - I'll have to see.
It is too small for me and doesn't appeal my wife or son, so I think it will become a rafter hanger (think "top shelf" for Andy's broken toys in "Toy Story"). Sometimes the rafter hangers do get a second chance - I'll have to see.
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11-01-16, 05:25 PM
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Confused. The black shifter is modern and without its black cover, I don't see how it would look like the one with the clear plastic cover. Or, is there another clear plastic covered shifter that I'm not aware of?
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That black cover is held by the Phillips screw - underneath is the same shifter body.
11-01-16, 07:27 PM
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If you take the black cover off the one on the left, and the clear cover off on the right, the shifters are identical (the black one has a cover on the trigger too, which can be removed).
That black cover is held by the Phillips screw - underneath is the same shifter body.
That black cover is held by the Phillips screw - underneath is the same shifter body.
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I went by the co-op this evening to look for some parts to convert my Cimarron to drops and decided to ask about a frame I'd seen there before, a men's 23" brown Raleigh Sports. I already have a complete bike just like it, although this one is less beat than mine, but I was curious. Frameset with stem and BB and chainguard. It did have a rear fender but that seems to be gone now. $25, the guy told me. I'm not seriously tempted but one of you folks might be.
Sports frame.JPG
Sports frame.JPG
11-02-16, 04:34 AM
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11-02-16, 05:37 PM
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I went by the co-op this evening to look for some parts to convert my Cimarron to drops and decided to ask about a frame I'd seen there before, a men's 23" brown Raleigh Sports. I already have a complete bike just like it, although this one is less beat than mine, but I was curious. Frameset with stem and BB and chainguard. It did have a rear fender but that seems to be gone now. $25, the guy told me. I'm not seriously tempted but one of you folks might be.
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I could easily switch the parts from my 21" Sport to this. Did you get an idea of the yr ?
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That down tube Sports transfer dates it 1969-1972.
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Nice pictures.
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