For the love of English 3 speeds...
12-14-16, 06:05 PM
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Interesting. According to the brochure, the "shpg weight" for that bike was 43 lbs. Folks here were just discussing the different frame materials between Schwinn and Raleigh, and how the Schwinns were notably heavier. That seems to support the theory. Has anyone here weighed a similarly-equipped Raleigh Sports?
BTW, this bike is at the top of my "Bucket List" - not that it is any better than a nice Raleigh but it is oh so much rarer!
Also, those Bluemel's fenders are not correct on the bike to the best of my knowledge. Maybe a Schwinn aficionado can enlighten us...
12-14-16, 06:08 PM
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Interesting. According to the brochure, the "shpg weight" for that bike was 43 lbs. Folks here were just discussing the different frame materials between Schwinn and Raleigh, and how the Schwinns were notably heavier. That seems to support the theory. Has anyone here weighed a similarly-equipped Raleigh Sports?
12-14-16, 06:11 PM
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BTW, this bike (Schwinn Paramount three speed) is at the top of my "Bucket List" - not that it is any better than a nice Raleigh but it is oh so much rarer! Also, those Bluemel's fenders are not correct on the bike to the best of my knowledge. Maybe a Schwinn aficionado can enlighten us...
12-14-16, 06:13 PM
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12-14-16, 06:19 PM
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Oh gosh, no. You don't want me to get near bikes like this! 
I'm just simply reposting something interesting that I found on the internets. Guess I didn't make myself clear. But to make myself clear, I have no connection to this bike or the person behind it.
I'm just simply reposting something interesting that I found on the internets. Guess I didn't make myself clear. But to make myself clear, I have no connection to this bike or the person behind it.
12-14-16, 06:23 PM
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Can you believe they'd leave the PV locknut like this?!? For shame!
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Seriously, I have been looking for one of these - primarily using the "secret" Google Alert method that Tom Reingold shared a few years back - and they just don't show up.
@noglider ha-ha!
12-14-16, 06:33 PM
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I get that. I sort of figured that someone would point out what's "wrong" with this bike, since whomever this is didn't try to restore it exactly like it would be from 1951. But I'm okay with that, as to me, it's the spirit that counts and it looks good. It's a lot better than the 40's Schwinn Superior that was posted on Portland CL for a bit, where the owner put 700C wheels and a modern cotterless crankset on there. And my 1968 Raleigh Superbe has a bunch of new bits on it that wouldn't have been available back then, but still looks the part. To each their own.
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12-14-16, 06:59 PM
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I get that. I sort of figured that someone would point out what's "wrong" with this bike, since whomever this is didn't try to restore it exactly like it would be from 1951. But I'm okay with that, as to me, it's the spirit that counts and it looks good. It's a lot better than the 40's Schwinn Superior that was posted on Portland CL for a bit, where the owner put 700C wheels and a modern cotterless crankset on there. And my 1968 Raleigh Superbe has a bunch of new bits on it that wouldn't have been available back then, but still looks the part. To each their own.
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1899 Schwinn Quad - best of all - it's a 3-speed!
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12-14-16, 08:44 PM
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12-15-16, 04:38 AM
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Yes, I believe it does include the shipping materials. The chromoly Continental I have is noticeably lighter than a Raleigh Sports. Just about everything is lighter, particularly the frame, fenders and wheelset. I would say the Paramount might be even a bit lighter than that. I was surprised how light the Continental was when I got it.
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12-15-16, 01:11 PM
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@PalmettoUpstate, if you include other craigslist sites than your local one, you'll see them. I see plenty of nice 3-speeds for sale here, though they're not cheap. The high asking prices seem fair, though, especially if you'll be riding the bike and locking it up outside. It's a durable, theft-resistant bike.
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12-15-16, 01:35 PM
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A buddy of mine has an early Paramount set up as a 3-speed. It's a very cool bike:
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12-15-16, 07:16 PM
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I think you are right that the Continental, Superior, and Paramount bikes of the 1930s- early 50s are more like an English Clubman level than a Sports. I think the New World sort of goes to the same level as the Sports.
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I've seen those integrated headset cups on other bikes from that era, but I don't know how common it is. @rhm might know better than I.
12-16-16, 09:39 AM
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Don't be distracted by the fact that this Chater Lea headset uses a headclip rather than the usual threaded upper race. The three circles at the bottom of the photo are the frame races and the fork crown race. Each of the frame races fits snugly into a recess in the head lug, which is why the lug has that bulge. The races are not conical; the bearing surface is a circular channel that may be filled with oil, rather than grease. I suspect --I speculate-- that that is the feature that made these attractive to racers. At that time, some racers thought oiled bearings would spin faster than greased ones, which is why hubs, bottom brackets, and even headsets and pedals had oil ports.
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12-16-16, 10:00 AM
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Anybody need a new-ish men's Sports in 23"? I think he's wrong about the year.
MENS 1972 RALEIGH LTD 3 BIKE
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NICE EXCELLENT SHAPE
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NICE EXCELLENT SHAPE
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So this isn't a Raleigh 3-speed as Frank Bowden might have intended, but I came across a somewhat rough 1973 Super Course a few weeks ago for small money and decided to build it up as an English club bike using parts I had on hand. The rear wheel is a 700c Matrix rim laced to a Sturmey Archer alloy AM hub with AW internals (yeah, kind of an odd story). Front is a matching rim laced to a Normany high-flange alloy hub with S-A wing nuts. Williams crankset, Challenge 30mm Eroica tires, top tube trigger modified from an S-A downtube shifter and an old clamp, Brooks B17 and SR/Raleigh post, GB bars and Titan stem, Weinmann levers and Weinmann 750 cp brakes, Honjo fenders. I've only had it out for a short test ride as we're in the midst of a cold snap, but it felt smooth.
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Hercules, Not 3 Speed, But Nice
I think it is overpriced mainly due to the missing chaincase.
1929/1930 Hercules Popular single speed, perfect mechanical condition
1929/1930 Hercules Popular single speed, perfect mechanical condition
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I forgot to mention the headlight.
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So this isn't a Raleigh 3-speed as Frank Bowden might have intended, but I came across a somewhat rough 1973 Super Course a few weeks ago for small money and decided to build it up as an English club bike using parts I had on hand. The rear wheel is a 700c Matrix rim laced to a Sturmey Archer alloy AM hub with AW internals (yeah, kind of an odd story). Front is a matching rim laced to a Normany high-flange alloy hub with S-A wing nuts. Williams crankset, Challenge 30mm Eroica tires, top tube trigger modified from an S-A downtube shifter and an old clamp, Brooks B17 and SR/Raleigh post, GB bars and Titan stem, Weinmann levers and Weinmann 750 cp brakes, Honjo fenders. I've only had it out for a short test ride as we're in the midst of a cold snap, but it felt smooth.
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