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Old 08-07-17, 12:20 PM
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My thing is to find a 40 hole AW hub or shell that I can use to build up a 27" wheel for my Rudge 3 speed dropbar rapide. I already have the Dunlop special lightweight rims.
What year?
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Originally Posted by clubman
What year?

Early to mid 60's would be the range with 62-63 being closer to the frame Year.

You got something?
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Early to mid 60's would be the range with 62-63 being closer to the frame Year.

You got something?
I've got a '59 and a '60 still laced into an EA1 wheel.

You're welcome to the '59 for shipping. Hopefully around $20, can get a quote tomorrow. PM if interested.
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Hello All,

I want to replace the cranks on a Raleigh Twenty. Looking for advice, not sure all the questions to ask, so here's a start.

I don't even know if they are common or rare.

1. Is the chainring and crank a single unit? i.e. Can I just get a crank? (right side crank is distorted)
2. Is the hole a standard diameter?
3. Is there a name brand, type, or retailer I should go to?
4. If I take it to the shop, what should I expect to pay?
5. Yes, I've attempted to straighten it. I'm done.

Thank you
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Based upon some cotter removal threads on the site here and youtube, here is my home-modified cotter removal tool. I had to reposition the drive-side crank a little because the crank arm was rubbing on the chain guard. This press worked well on the freshly installed new cotter. I've got two other 40+ year old Raleigh Sports that I plan to attack hopefully later this year, so I'll find out how well this makeshift press works on long-seated cotters.

The original part is called a top beam clamp at Menards and Home Depot.
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Originally Posted by mirfi
Hello All,

I want to replace the cranks on a Raleigh Twenty. Looking for advice, not sure all the questions to ask, so here's a start.

I don't even know if they are common or rare.

1. Is the chainring and crank a single unit? i.e. Can I just get a crank? (right side crank is distorted)
2. Is the hole a standard diameter?
3. Is there a name brand, type, or retailer I should go to?
4. If I take it to the shop, what should I expect to pay?
5. Yes, I've attempted to straighten it. I'm done.

Thank you
If you want to replace the crank, I think your best bet is eBay. They come in 46 and 48T. Pretty sure a good shop could straighten the one you have though. I've done it a few times.
Here's one at a reasonable price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-rale...sAAOSwjS9ZiN4W
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Originally Posted by treebound
Based upon some cotter removal threads on the site here and youtube, here is my home-modified cotter removal tool. I had to reposition the drive-side crank a little because the crank arm was rubbing on the chain guard. This press worked well on the freshly installed new cotter. I've got two other 40+ year old Raleigh Sports that I plan to attack hopefully later this year, so I'll find out how well this makeshift press works on long-seated cotters.

The original part is called a top beam clamp at Menards and Home Depot.
Please let us know how this homebuilt does on the settled pins. Interesting effort there!
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Old 08-10-17, 06:18 AM
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Inflation!

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I saw an old bike catalogue from 1972 last week that had a parts list with pricing.
A Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub was listed at $17.00 (Canadian). Using the inflation calculator, this would work out to $103.00 today. I would assume the hub came as a complete "kit" with the trigger etc as they did in the 50's.


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Looking at pricing for a NEW SA3 speed hub @ $135.00 (CDN) is not out of line.

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@mirfi - the crank & chainring are all one piece. When you ask size of hole, I presume you mean cotter hole. Here's a link to Bikesmith Designs & their cotter page. It will hopefully help.

Bicycle Crank Cotters

Don't know what the labor charges might be. Make sure the shop is familiar with cotter cranks.
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Originally Posted by gster
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I saw an old bike catalogue from 1972 last week that had a parts list with pricing.
A Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub was listed at $17.00 (Canadian). Using the inflation calculator, this would work out to $103.00 today. I would assume the hub came as a complete "kit" with the trigger etc as they did in the 50's.

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Talk about inflation, there's a fairly common 18T cog in the lower photo but what looks like the rare, elusive 22T installed on the hub in the upper photo.
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It's an English 3 speed so I will cross post here

Hercules Renown
Herc. A Type O Hub & Quadrant shifter
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Originally Posted by thumpism
Talk about inflation, there's a fairly common 18T cog in the lower photo but what looks like the rare, elusive 22T installed on the hub in the upper photo.
That 50s hub is a fantastic find. I didn't know the hub came complete with a trigger, fulcrum clip and guide wheel.
The box of SA goodies I bought years ago had a couple of unused shifters but no NOS hub. Maybe the mechanic who owned it replaced a couple of hubs but didn't bother to use the shifters that came with it. Always wondered how 2 unused shifters and pulleys came to be in the box of uesd parts.
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Originally Posted by thumpism
Talk about inflation, there's a fairly common 18T cog in the lower photo but what looks like the rare, elusive 22T installed on the hub in the upper photo.
Good eye!
It is a 22 cog. I didn't know they were rare.
I bought four of them a couple of months ago (new) at Urbane Cycle here in Toronto.
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Originally Posted by Velognome
It's an English 3 speed so I will cross post here

Hercules Renown
Herc. A Type O Hub & Quadrant shifter
I love this bike. Maybe it's nostalgia for me. Old beat up bikes turned into hot rods were a part of my youth. Speaks to me somehow even more than a perfectly preserved example. Yeah, this one is very high on the cool meter.
"I am the Scorcher, full of zeal,
And just the thing I look like on the wheel."

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Yeah ditto, it's a looker - those black bars really suit the bike. Cool lug cut-outs too! I love the curves of old drop bars, although personally I find drop bars too hard on my hands and neck. I tried to make a scorcher but even 'dropped' north road bars end up too low for comfort

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I recreated the scorcher I had as a teenager. This time though, the northroads are upright and it's geared low for my old legs. It's just modified a bit so I can put more mileage in the saddle the way I am now. But it's still a lean and mean stripped down scorcher.
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Getting things together. Got the bike stand and bike tools for birthday. I've already got lots of chemicals, strippers, oils, grease, acids, various washes. rags, etc. I have a powdercoat guy i've used before. He should have glossy black in stock for frame, fork and fenders. The handle bars will clean up except for the area where the bike was stood up flipped over. I never had anything re-chromed. I'll clean these bars as best I can and then judge keep, re-chrome, or search. The question is hand strip or blast? I see on Amazon a sand blast gun that works out of a 5gal pail of sand. Has anybody tried this method? How effective is that system on a bike frame? Thanks, Richard
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Originally Posted by gster
Good eye!
It is a 22 cog. I didn't know they were rare.
I bought four of them a couple of months ago (new) at Urbane Cycle here in Toronto.
They were rare when I was looking in the pre-Interweb days. After I got mine I learned that a Shimano Nexus 24T would fit and that won out. Have not seen many 3-speeds that are not overgeared, especially one that I would want to ride.
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BigChief I recreated the scorcher I had as a teenager.
Did the same too, it was fun for awhile
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Originally Posted by plympton
Getting things together. Got the bike stand and bike tools for birthday. I've already got lots of chemicals, strippers, oils, grease, acids, various washes. rags, etc. I have a powdercoat guy i've used before. He should have glossy black in stock for frame, fork and fenders. The handle bars will clean up except for the area where the bike was stood up flipped over. I never had anything re-chromed. I'll clean these bars as best I can and then judge keep, re-chrome, or search. The question is hand strip or blast? I see on Amazon a sand blast gun that works out of a 5gal pail of sand. Has anybody tried this method? How effective is that system on a bike frame? Thanks, Richard
There are two schools of thought that you may run into here. One holds that even though this is a more utilitarian sort of bike, the restoration should be of the same quality as a high end bike. In that case blasting and powder coating would be unthinkable. The other is: It's a Raleigh. Make it look nice and be happy. From what I understand, there are quality powder coaters and really bad ones. I have no experience here. I've only hand stripped and used enamel paint. Same with blasting. You don't want to end up with a frame that looks like a plastic toy that's been left out in the sun too long. I'll say that if you choose blasting and powder coat, be sure you find someone with a sensitivity toward vintage lugged framed bikes and good skills.
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Did the same too, it was fun for awhile
Very, very sharp. Love it! I'll always have a soft spot for scorchers. Nice job on this one.
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So is a "scorcher" supposed to be just a "racier" 3-speed, as exemplified by different handlebars & perhaps different gearing?
Can a step through bike be a scorcher? Thanks.
@noglider - Sturmey Archer did Not replace my defective 2-speed kickback hub. Instead they sent new internals to Unversal Cycles (where I purchased the hub), and their bike mechanic installed them into the hub shell. I had to rebuild the 20" wheel. So far so good, but I've only ridden about 5 miles on it. I really enjoy the front drum brake & coaster brake is nice for when I'm riding slowly.
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I believe the term scorcher is from the dawn of the bicycle age before IG hubs or derailleurs existed and actually referred to the riders and not to the bikes themselves. Scorcher more recently came to describe the looks of the bikes they would have ridden at that time; stripped down, flopped bars, etc.
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This is my idea of a Scorcher and bike, from 1896, although he is an NY messenger.

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