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Old 10-03-17, 03:14 PM
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There are a lot of those bikes which did not come with the lights it was an added expense in the US
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Old 10-03-17, 03:59 PM
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There are a lot of those bikes which did not come with the lights it was an added expense in the US
Yup, you'll find a lot of old 3 speeds with dings in the seat stays from bottle generators.
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Never been tempted to try one of those bottles on my vintage bikes. If it didn't have a hub generator, none do, I would go with modern lighting.
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Bottle generator sets and rear racks are the fast ways to dent seat stays. Fortunately, it very rarely has a structural effect on the frame, and usually then is the product of very abusive installation.
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They were awful things. I hated the drag you felt. And they needed to be grounded to the frame. Some of them used sheet metal screws that you were supposed to drill into the stays to install. That's why sometimes you see actual holes from bottle generators. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember when they were the only game in town if you did any night riding. They made battery powered lights, but they weren't practical at all and cast very little light. At least with the bottle generators, you could see a good 6 feet out in front of you.
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I came across an example of a step through frame with two cable pullies on an old Juncker frame. Was an interesting sight!

Made some pictures but I'll have to post them later since I am on mobile.
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That is a beautiful color. What a great project.
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Originally Posted by campngolf
That is a beautiful color. What a great project.
It really is! At first i thought some of it had faded to a orange but there are hints to it in places the paint wouldn't have faded as much.

On the other hand i believe this was originally Matador red as it's the only colour that matches from the early 60's

I pulled the rear rack and the seat post yesterday with only minimal effort, and only a small ring of rust on the bottom of the post. I tell you someone took care of this bike even if they were not 100% sure what they were doing lol.

I ordered my repair stand last night so i should be really cracking into this next week.

Are there any must have tools i should get other than my sockets, box wrenches and crescent wrench?
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Originally Posted by Scipunk
It really is! At first i thought some of it had faded to a orange but there are hints to it in places the paint wouldn't have faded as much.

On the other hand i believe this was originally Matador red as it's the only colour that matches from the early 60's

I pulled the rear rack and the seat post yesterday with only minimal effort, and only a small ring of rust on the bottom of the post. I tell you someone took care of this bike even if they were not 100% sure what they were doing lol.

I ordered my repair stand last night so i should be really cracking into this next week.

Are there any must have tools i should get other than my sockets, box wrenches and crescent wrench?
I'm afraid you're going to run into a problem with wrenches. These bikes use a lot of British standard (Whitworth) sizes. I think it's important to have two cone wrenches to fit the sturmey archer hubs. You can get by with one, but if you have 2, you can adjust AW wheel bearings with the rear wheel still on the bike. Handy sometimes. Also, you don't need, but is nice to have the Park Tool HCW 5 and 11 spanners for the bottom bracket. A 15mm pedal wrench. Again, there's work a rounds, but a Bikesmith cotter press a great tool to have.
oh yes, almost forgot...a chain breaker

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Originally Posted by BigChief
I'm afraid you're going to run into a problem with wrenches. These bikes use a lot of British standard (Whitworth) sizes. I think it's important to have two cone wrenches to fit the sturmey archer hubs. You can get by with one, but if you have 2, you can adjust the cones with the rear wheel still on the bike. Handy sometimes. Also, you don't need, but is nice to have the Park Tool HCW 5 and 11 spanners for the bottom bracket. A 15mm pedal wrench. Again, there's work a rounds, but a Bikesmith cotter press a great tool to have.
OK good to know! Do i need the 15mm? I don't mind buying a pair. I'll grab the other stuff as well

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Originally Posted by Scipunk
OK good to know! Do i need the 15mm? I don't mind buying a pair. I'll grab the other stuff as well

Thanks
Yes, the pedal wrench is one of the few standard size wrenches you'll need. Unless you have a regular 15mm thin enough to fit in between the crank and pedal. I don't have a Whitworth set myself. I use an adjustable a lot on my Raleighs. I do have a pair of the little Sturmey Archer cone wrenches.
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Oh darn, 14 dollars? that's awful. But, anyway, here's the cone wrench I'm talking about.

NOS genuine Sturmey Archer Cone Spanner tool, made in England, Free Ship in USA | eBay
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Yes, the pedal wrench is one of the few standard size wrenches you'll need. Unless you have a regular 15mm thin enough to fit in between the crank and pedal. I don't have a Whitworth set myself. I use an adjustable a lot on my Raleighs. I do have a pair of the little Sturmey Archer cone wrenches.
So here is the funny thing, my 64 doesn't have the Whitworth style wheels, but they are genuine Raleigh,and its got a pretty good size space between the crank arm and the pedal. With the serial number and other things i am beginning to worry this is a 70's frame with 64 parts on it for some reason. Except that the BB area is larger than on my 73 so i am all sorts of confused...lol

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Oh darn, 14 dollars? that's awful. But, anyway, here's the cone wrench I'm talking about.

NOS genuine Sturmey Archer Cone Spanner tool, made in England, Free Ship in USA | eBay
Yeah that is a bit pricey, comparable to the park tool but i like that they are original thanks again BC!
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Just measured mine. It's made out of 1/8" steel. The span is .635 inches in case you want to make one up. 14 dollars is too much, but I think it's an important tool for old Raleighs.
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Just measured mine. It's made out of 1/8" steel. The span is .635 inches in case you want to make one up. 14 dollars is too much, but I think it's an important tool for old Raleighs.
Ok that's good to know, that's 16.129mm i could probably whip a couple up.
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I think your bike is all original mid 60s. It is an odd one for sure, but original I think.
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Originally Posted by bigchief
i think your bike is all original mid 60s. It is an odd one for sure, but original i think.
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I have several Raleighs, so I bought a set of Whitworth wrenches from Azon. They came from a store (or e-store) in England named Big Red Toolbox, or something like that. It took forever for them to arrive - sixty days or more but they were held by US Customs for most of that time. The plastic wall mount for the wrenches had broken, and the tools were clanging around in the package. Evidently customs ramped up the inspection of the package and that caused the delay. When they finally arrived they were branded Siegen (sounds eastern European to me). They were high quality and highly polished.
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Yeah I am in agreement with you guys I just donít know enough so I question everything. I will listen to you all since you know way more than me

So questions:
Did the front forks use locking washers like the back and if so are they the same ones?

While I like the white grips and seat neither are comfy, can someone recommend a good looking brown leather grip that would compliment a brooks saddle (prolly a b77? ) or is it possible to replace the grips on a twist shifter ?

Anyone have a source for the white cables?
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Yup, you'll find a lot of old 3 speeds with dings in the seat stays from bottle generators.
Here's a generator track, already on my Sports when I got it. The actual problem was the ground screw that was threaded through the clamp assembly and which needed to pierce the paint for a good ground. Worked, but this was frequently the result. However, lighting has advanced and the new hub units are probably superior. I have not tried one since my lighting needs are only occasional and battery LED lights seems to work fine for me now.
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Originally Posted by Scipunk
On the other hand i believe this was originally Matador red as it's the only colour that matches from the early 60's
Raleigh went through a series of colour charts with different names. Here's one of them. Number 5 is a possibility allowing for fading.
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Some three speeds I came across last week:

Step through frame with double cable pulley (check larger image of better view)


And this downright ancient looking beasty
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Raleigh went through a series of colour charts with different names. Here's one of them. Number 5 is a possibility allowing for fading.
Hmm that seems more likely , thanks for this
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Nice selection there, that second one has had a life!
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I noticed another peculiar thing today, my presstube rack has 0 markings...lol like no serial number nada. Also i think you are dead on with your color assessment, i moved the pump holder and the original crimson was there, ill get a pic in a bit.

ALSO I removed my front wheel bolts to find that my wheel refuses to detach...lol
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Originally Posted by Scipunk
ALSO I removed my front wheel bolts to find that my wheel refuses to detach.
Pull the fork tips away from each other. There is frequently a little collar on each axle locknut that fits into the inside of the fork tip.
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