Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

For the love of English 3 speeds...

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

For the love of English 3 speeds...

Old 01-30-18, 08:48 PM
  #15351  
Phyllo-buster
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,822

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2284 Post(s)
Liked 2,012 Times in 1,237 Posts
Do you have 650B rims? These aren't Sports sized.
clubman is offline  
Old 01-30-18, 09:00 PM
  #15352  
Senior Member
 
johnnyspaghetti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pigseye
Posts: 577

Bikes: Raleigh Sports

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by clubman
Do you have 650B rims? These aren't Sports sized.
I see 37-590 right on the side. The rims are all OEM and all tires are 26 x 1-3/8" 37-590. Is this correct?
I do know the 37-597 26 x 1-3/8" is to big to clinch the rim properly.


Last edited by johnnyspaghetti; 01-30-18 at 09:41 PM.
johnnyspaghetti is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 07:28 AM
  #15353  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
The ISO metric standards do clear up a lot of confusion. 590mm is the inside diameter and 37mm is the width. So 37x590 works for English light roadster 26x 1 3/8 wheels.
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 08:48 AM
  #15354  
Phyllo-buster
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,822

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2284 Post(s)
Liked 2,012 Times in 1,237 Posts
@johnnyspaghetti, just making sure you didn't buy 650 B's if you didn't need them.
Since there's so many 650's many it's easier to call them EA3s or 590's.
clubman is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 09:52 AM
  #15355  
Senior Member
 
johnnyspaghetti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pigseye
Posts: 577

Bikes: Raleigh Sports

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by clubman
@johnnyspaghetti, just making sure you didn't buy 650 B's if you didn't need them.
Since there's so many 650's many it's easier to call them EA3s or 590's.
I have been around the block on tires that don't fit the rim proper.

I really don't even consider 650 abc spec. I asked the seller but didn't look at the 2nd picture that revealed the size.
They look like pretty good tires. Far better quality than the lowest price Kenda tires I usually get.

He said they don't fit a 26" rim... No...they don't fit his rim.

The ISO spec & the fractional spec. is correct for me. I have gone thru 100's of tossed out tires in the alley at the co-op and have tried all available 26" sizes that looked like they might fit before a sidewall blows out and ruins the tube.
johnnyspaghetti is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 02:04 PM
  #15356  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 805
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 199 Post(s)
Liked 151 Times in 75 Posts
finally found a replacement indicator rod (top) for the broken one (bottom)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
indicator rod 2.jpg (869.0 KB, 166 views)
Big Block is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 05:09 PM
  #15357  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
That's a 4 speed indicator isn't it? Never even rode a SA 4 speed. Would love to find one someday.
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 05:49 PM
  #15358  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,075
Mentioned: 476 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3761 Post(s)
Liked 6,407 Times in 2,539 Posts
Yup, those 4-speed two-piece indicators are tough to find. I’ve snagged some individual sides on eBay, hoping I’ll find their mates at some point.
nlerner is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 06:02 PM
  #15359  
Old fart
 
JohnDThompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Posts: 24,873

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Mentioned: 153 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3546 Post(s)
Liked 3,287 Times in 1,881 Posts
The two-piece indicator rods were also used on some, but not all, SW hubs. I actually prefer the two-piece indicators. Most of the SA hub overhauls I've done are to replace stripped axle keys, and the two-piece indicator is immune to this problem in that in the event that the rod breaks or strips, it can be replaced without opening the hub.

If anybody else is looking for a two-piece indicator, I have a couple spares here:

JohnDThompson is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 09:02 PM
  #15360  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 805
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 199 Post(s)
Liked 151 Times in 75 Posts
This indicator rod set is for a ASC hub.
Big Block is offline  
Old 01-31-18, 09:42 PM
  #15361  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
I had to look that one up. 3 speed fixed. I guess finding that indicator was a real long shot.
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 12:25 AM
  #15362  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 805
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 199 Post(s)
Liked 151 Times in 75 Posts
Originally Posted by BigChief
I had to look that one up. 3 speed fixed. I guess finding that indicator was a real long shot.
Challenging is an understatement. The hubs are in the "hens teeth" category; spare parts for them in the "almost unobtanium".
Big Block is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 02:20 AM
  #15363  
Senior Member
 
johnnyspaghetti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pigseye
Posts: 577

Bikes: Raleigh Sports

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
1953 Raleigh/Parliament Bicycle



This popped up local on CL like new but very unfortunate that nothing but the frame is original. 60's & 70's parts for a lot of money

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...479767550.html










johnnyspaghetti is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 05:04 AM
  #15364  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
Weird. Whatever it is it's not a Nottingham built Raleigh
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 07:10 AM
  #15365  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
I like a good mystery. I'm going to hazard a guess. Not a Raleigh frame or fenders. Maybe some parts were added, but I don't think this is a restoration. I think it was built and sold this way. I don't think the frame and fenders are even English. What seals the deal for me is the Hi-Tension steel sticker. No English speaker would have made that mistake.
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 07:37 AM
  #15366  
Phyllo-buster
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,822

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2284 Post(s)
Liked 2,012 Times in 1,237 Posts
Agree, not Raleigh. There were some Asian knock-offs with the thimble fork, could be one of them. Waste of time, money and parts.
clubman is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 08:44 AM
  #15367  
Senior Member
 
johnnyspaghetti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pigseye
Posts: 577

Bikes: Raleigh Sports

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 202 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's a 69 2 AW hub pictured. I am not privy to older frame lugs.

Last edited by johnnyspaghetti; 02-01-18 at 08:54 AM.
johnnyspaghetti is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 10:30 AM
  #15368  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 1,018

Bikes: Diamond Back Apex, Mongoose IBOC Aluminum Road Bike, SR road bike

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 515 Post(s)
Liked 165 Times in 115 Posts
Originally Posted by BigChief
I like a good mystery. I'm going to hazard a guess. Not a Raleigh frame or fenders. Maybe some parts were added, but I don't think this is a restoration. I think it was built and sold this way. I don't think the frame and fenders are even English. What seals the deal for me is the Hi-Tension steel sticker. No English speaker would have made that mistake.
Saves me asking, because I was about to ask how you could tell? I could see maybe $200. for a well put together bike, but $685. for a knock off? This would be a major sting for the buyer if found out.
Ballenxj is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 10:47 AM
  #15369  
Senior Member
 
browngw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Port Dover Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,533

Bikes: 1965 Dilecta Le Blanc, 1956 Royal Nord, 1972 Raleigh Sports, 1972 CCM Turismo,1976 SuperCycle Excalibur, 2014 Salsa Vaya, 2017 Felt DD70, 2019 Giant Lafree and others

Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 346 Post(s)
Liked 535 Times in 218 Posts
Time for tires for Roadster#2. Any recommendations for 40-635 tires? (28x1 1/2"). I'm located in Canada.
__________________
We are what we reflect. We are the changes that we bring to this world. Ride often. -Geo.-
browngw is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 01:17 PM
  #15370  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
Originally Posted by browngw
Time for tires for Roadster#2. Any recommendations for 40-635 tires? (28x1 1/2"). I'm located in Canada.
I picked these Conti Tour Rides because they are supposed to be puncture resistant. So far so good. And I have put quite a few miles on these.

contitire.jpg
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 01:29 PM
  #15371  
Senior Member
 
dweenk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,979

Bikes: Lots of English 3-speeds, a couple of old road bikes, 3 mountain bikes, 1 hybrid, and a couple of mash-ups

Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 887 Post(s)
Liked 335 Times in 225 Posts
Originally Posted by browngw
Time for tires for Roadster#2. Any recommendations for 40-635 tires? (28x1 1/2"). I'm located in Canada.
Low price tires from Niagara.
https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...hoCxTMQAvD_BwE
__________________
I hope...that all mankind will at length…have reason and sense enough to settle their differences without cutting throats. Ben Franklin
dweenk is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 04:17 PM
  #15372  
Senior Member
 
Salubrious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,588

Bikes: Too many 3-speeds, Jones Plus LWB

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 352 Post(s)
Liked 254 Times in 113 Posts
Originally Posted by BigChief
That's a 4 speed indicator isn't it? Never even rode a SA 4 speed. Would love to find one someday.
They are a nice ride. Imagine your normal 3 speed setup, with the 4th gear being an extra low. If you set it up right, you can have high a little higher, while low is a bit lower than what you have now. You can climb better and not spin out so quick.

You want to avoid the alloy version of the FM (Four speed Medium range) hub- the alloy shell cracks quite easily. This is not a problem with the FW.

FWs with the Dynohub built in are easy to find on ebay.co.uk
Salubrious is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 05:18 PM
  #15373  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 790
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 384 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by clubman
Agree, not Raleigh. There were some Asian knock-offs with the thimble fork, could be one of them. Waste of time, money and parts.
Y'all seem pretty sure of yourselves based on crappy CL pix. I don't have an opinion one way or another myself. Some stuff there looks a little hinky I agree but it could be just what it claims to be. Raleigh made bicycles on contract for British retail chains, just like many American bike companies did (including Schwinn.) As with anything even slightly suspicious I'd want to inspect this bike personally before dropping any money on it, of course.
Ghrumpy is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 05:23 PM
  #15374  
Phyllo-buster
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,822

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 132 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2284 Post(s)
Liked 2,012 Times in 1,237 Posts
Originally Posted by Ghrumpy
Y'all seem pretty sure of yourselves based on crappy CL pix. I don't have an opinion one way or another myself. Some stuff there looks a little hinky I agree but it could be just what it claims to be. Raleigh made bicycles on contract for British retail chains, just like many American bike companies did (including Schwinn.) As with anything even slightly suspicious I'd want to inspect this bike personally before dropping any money on it, of course.
Show me another Raleigh Sports or rebrand-clone with mudguard attachments above the axle and not at the rear. Just one. Made anytime.

Here's a poor picture of an Indian roadster but you can clearly see the thimble fork crown. Try to find another Raleigh Parliament online. This is a company that made bikes in vast numbers. Not trying to be cocky here, just brief.


Last edited by clubman; 02-01-18 at 05:33 PM.
clubman is offline  
Old 02-01-18, 05:33 PM
  #15375  
Senior Member
 
BigChief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,240
Mentioned: 103 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 103 Times in 85 Posts
Originally Posted by Salubrious
They are a nice ride. Imagine your normal 3 speed setup, with the 4th gear being an extra low. If you set it up right, you can have high a little higher, while low is a bit lower than what you have now. You can climb better and not spin out so quick.

You want to avoid the alloy version of the FM (Four speed Medium range) hub- the alloy shell cracks quite easily. This is not a problem with the FW.

FWs with the Dynohub built in are easy to find on ebay.co.uk
That's the whole reason I gear down my AWs. I sacrifice the overdrive for a granny to help me get up hills. I'm especially tempted by the idea of the FM. I love the medium spread I have on the S5. The only issue there is if you're riding the S5 in medium mode, engaging the bell crank to reach the granny in wide mode is a trickier shift. It's reliable, but not as smooth and easy as the right side shifter. Takes a bit of a knack.
__________________
Inflate Hard
BigChief is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.