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Old 03-07-18, 08:48 AM
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A question about 1950s Raleigh handlebar grips. They seem to be very rare. For some reason they didn't seem to survive long. Even bikes like this beautiful late 50s short frame Sports where everything else down to the cable housings looks original, the grips got changed at some point. These appear to be the usual American made Hunt Wilde grips that were for sale at places like Western Auto back in the 60s. It's hard to see much detail in old catalog scans. If anybody here has any old originals, I would like to ask if you would take the time to post some close up picks of them for me. Thanks, BC

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My goodness, that thing is beautiful.
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Originally Posted by noglider
My goodness, that thing is beautiful.
Hell yes.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
A question about 1950s Raleigh handlebar grips. They seem to be very rare. For some reason they didn't seem to survive long. Even bikes like this beautiful late 50s short frame Sports where everything else down to the cable housings looks original, the grips got changed at some point. These appear to be the usual American made Hunt Wilde grips that were for sale at places like Western Auto back in the 60s. It's hard to see much detail in old catalog scans. If anybody here has any old originals, I would like to ask if you would take the time to post some close up picks of them for me. Thanks, BC

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Wouldn't the grips be white?
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I think they would look like this, bullet style in white or gray.
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Ah, thanks @dweenk It's so hard to tell from the old catalog pics like this from 1954. Even the colorized ones.

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Originally Posted by noglider
My goodness, that thing is beautiful.
Yes, It's one of the nicest ones I've seen in a while. I think the saddle may even be original, but I don't know enough about them to say with certainty.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Yes, It's one of the nicest ones I've seen in a while. I think the saddle may even be original, but I don't know enough about them to say with certainty.
The seller says the saddle is original.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Ah, thanks @dweenk It's so hard to tell from the old catalog pics like this from 1954. Even the colorized ones.

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Those do not look bullet style to me. I do have a pair of grips I removed from an old bike that were similar to the catalog page. The material was hardened and had a couple of small cracks, but they do look like other Raleigh grips that I have seen.
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Those look like the DARE grips. Those are sturdy. I've seen them on 70s Sports, but don't know how far back they go. This 1954 scan from The Headbadge site is much more clear and looks a lot like the bullet style...gray maybe?
'The Headbadge': 1954 Raleigh Catalog - Canada
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I looked through the 1950s Raleigh catalogs I've saved on my computer, and grips seemed to really vary. The 1957 Raleigh Wendy that I passed along to another BF-er some months back had fairly deteriorated bullet-style grips in grey, which I think were original. The site threespeedhub.com has several 1950s Raleigh spare-parts catalogues, some of which list a variety of grips.
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Late 50's early 60's were bullet style in Canada, I've had a few. Peter Kohler made some sweet repros a number of years back but not enough people ordered them to make it profitable for him, unfortunately. I put them on my 'fixie'. They're bigger and softer than the originals, which I like.

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There are several eBay sellers in Thailand and Indonesia who are selling repro bullet grips. I think they tend to look too new for old Raleigh rebuilds!
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Here is a shot of my Sports with a 69 hub date. I can't help on grips because it is too new and some one put Schwinn grips on it. The pedals are not comfortable. Even so I still want to ride it all the time. The Delta Cruisers are nice but I would prefer black. Saddle is a B-72 and more comfortable than I expected as this is my first experience with a leather saddle. Please look it over and tell me what it needs. I am still disassembling the Western Flyer. Trying to label and package the parts so I can clean and repair by function.
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Ah classic! Is that burgundy? Sometimes hard to see color on a computer. The catalogs from that time Sports came with gum wall tires. I have a pair on my 69 Sprite (also burgundy) Looks like the plastic cover on the trigger shifter broke off (very common) Personally, I use the older style shifters on my riders instead of sticking to originality. Same with pedals. If I'm going to spend much time riding, I prefer MKS Sylvan touring pedals to the rubber block originals.

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Yes burgundy. I have had the bike about a month and I have done nothing to it other than flush and fill the hub and adjust the shift cable. It was an estate bike that did not come with any history.

I now have three AW hubs. All with a month code of 7. Is that just chance or, is that the only month they were made?
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I now have three AW hubs. All with a month code of 7. Is that just chance or, is that the only month they were made?
Interesting coincidence. I had one with a month stamp of 13!
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It's a beautiful bike and I love the burgundy color. I like the tires. If you want original style grips, I would take the time to search eBay until you found original black DARE grips like these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ral...YAAOSw57xaigV~
You can also by repros from Taiwan but they aren't as nice. I think this bike deserves originals. Black DAREs are what it came with.
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Originally Posted by Chaser95
Here is a shot of my Sports with a 69 hub date. I can't help on grips because it is too new and some one put Schwinn grips on it. The pedals are not comfortable. Even so I still want to ride it all the time. The Delta Cruisers are nice but I would prefer black. Saddle is a B-72 and more comfortable than I expected as this is my first experience with a leather saddle. Please look it over and tell me what it needs. I am still disassembling the Western Flyer. Trying to label and package the parts so I can clean and repair by function.
This is what the trigger shifter looked like originally.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stu...gAAOSwvApaHHBB
I've never been fond of these. The plastic covers tend to crack and get lost. Besides...they're plastic. I can't help it. Original or not, I would use one of these instead:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Sturmey...cAAOSwFMdafzvg
These mid 60s shifters still have the same key hole joint, so the ball end ferrule on your cable would work. Older shifters need a threaded ferrule.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Interesting coincidence. I had one with a month stamp of 13!
Now that one is a keeper in my book!
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Originally Posted by BigChief
This is what the trigger shifter looked like originally.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stu...gAAOSwvApaHHBB
I've never been fond of these. The plastic covers tend to crack and get lost. Besides...they're plastic. I can't help it. Original or not, I would use one of these instead:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Sturmey...cAAOSwFMdafzvg
These mid 60s shifters still have the same key hole joint, so the ball end ferrule on your cable would work. Older shifters need a threaded ferrule.
Yes, it is broken. I thought about using glue but, it seems pointless if it broke once. I will search for a used one or wait for it to find me. Are the Dare grips comfortable?

Your maroon looks great! I thought my shift cable bushing was mounted wrong until I saw yours. So much to learn and pictures are so revealing. Thanks for the kind words about my bike!
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People tend to have different preferences toward handlebar grips. I see lots of people on this forum with cork grips on their roadsters. I like the DARE grips. They are a bit fatter than the Schwinn grips you have now. The Raleigh levers/calipers are a bit short of mechanical advantage so there's plenty of room for fatter grips without worrying about using up lever travel. Lots of choices, but for originality it would be black DAREs on a 69 Sports.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
I think they would look like this, bullet style in white or gray.
That's the style that was on my '66.
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@Chaser95, I love it.
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I really like these Britannia grips. I have a couple of sets, and they've moved around from bike to bike.

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