For the love of English 3 speeds...
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Originally our old 3 speeds used varnish transfers. These new ones are vinyl transfers and are much more durable. No need to clear coat. They are just as tough as all the vinyl transfers you see today on signs, trucks and pretty much any graphics you see around. A few of the things like the 20-30 High Tensile and the gold seat tube strips are peel and press on stickers, but the others are transfers sandwiched between 2 pieces of paper. Plenty of instructions on you tube about applying vinyl transfers.
Personally, I prefer doing my own enamel paint jobs...as long as it's black.
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Nice bike @gster ! Didn't see you at Brantford Winter this year. I do like a Robin Hood, in any guise. That saddle may help to keep costs down. Going to have a closer look. Where was it purchased?
Bike was a Kijiji listing out in west hill.
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@gster: lovely bike! I am jealous as all of the 3-speeds I have picked up in the past 5 years have been fun but the paint and decals never seems to come up as well as the bikes posted here.
04-08-18, 12:41 PM
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A few other threads asked a question about these bikes that I don't think was entirely answered. With a full alloy conversion--rims, seat post, stem, handlebars, crankset, pedals, maybe brakes and levers--and plastic fenders, could the weight be brought down to 25 or 26 pounds? Asking for a friend, of course.
I actually did just that with my first ever Raleigh Twenty, but haven’t weighed it. I’ll have to dig up the before and after photos. Or if you want to dig around you can find them on this forum......
Actually if you go to Flickr and search Velocivixen, then look in albums for “1971 Raleigh Twenty Before/After” I’ve got about 69 photos.
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Originally our old 3 speeds used varnish transfers. These new ones are vinyl transfers and are much more durable. No need to clear coat. They are just as tough as all the vinyl transfers you see today on signs, trucks and pretty much any graphics you see around. A few of the things like the 20-30 High Tensile and the gold seat tube strips are peel and press on stickers, but the others are transfers sandwiched between 2 pieces of paper. Plenty of instructions on you tube about applying vinyl transfers.
Personally, I prefer doing my own enamel paint jobs...as long as it's black.
Personally, I prefer doing my own enamel paint jobs...as long as it's black.
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Some more photos.
The very nice trigger came with the bike as well as the calipers and pedals. All in good condition.
I didn't check but I'm sure I've got an 18T cog on the back but will likely swap out for a 20 or 22.
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The very nice trigger came with the bike as well as the calipers and pedals. All in good condition.
I didn't check but I'm sure I've got an 18T cog on the back but will likely swap out for a 20 or 22.
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All in all, quite sturdy and rideable.
-One cotter seems to be loose and needs seating.
-Will swap out rear cog with a 22T next weekend.
-A fresh chain would improve the appearance.
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Thanks BC: I haven't decided to go the powder coat route; was just wondering about the decals if one does take that path. I was quite satisfied with my work painting another frame, however to be honest I found the paint extremely soft for more than 1 year after I painted it.....powder coating just seems so much more immediate, and they have sandblasters etc and my arm is getting tired just thinking of taking the Humber down to bare metal!
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Curious, how many teeth does the current cog have, and what do three speeds usually have on the rear cog? TIA.
@ BigChief, from my experience with cars, the quality usually reflects directly on the person doing the prep work.
@ BigChief, from my experience with cars, the quality usually reflects directly on the person doing the prep work.
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I haven't actually counted but it feels like an 18T, which I think was the standard factory cog.
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18T does seem to be the most common. Keep in mind that in the early 70s, Raleigh changed from a 48T chain ring to 46T. When I was riding my 48T x 22T semi scorcher around flat southern Florida, I found the gearing to be a bit too low. Even the stiffest headwind didn't cause me to use low gear. Without hills to climb, I had no use for it. A comfortable tempo in high gear got me to, I'll guess around 15 mph. I figure that would be a fair trade off if I needed a lower low for hill climbing, but for flat land 18T or maybe 20T would be better for me with the 48T chain ring.
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18T does seem to be the most common. Keep in mind that in the early 70s, Raleigh changed from a 48T chain ring to 46T. When I was riding my 48T x 22T semi scorcher around flat southern Florida, I found the gearing to be a bit too low. Even the stiffest headwind didn't cause me to use low gear. Without hills to climb, I had no use for it. A comfortable tempo in high gear got me to, I'll guess around 15 mph. I figure that would be a fair trade off if I needed a lower low for hill climbing, but for flat land 18T or maybe 20T would be better for me with the 48T chain ring.
04-09-18, 11:00 AM
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Here's an "after" of the Bottom bracket. Oh, and a "before" as a reminder.
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
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Well that cleaned up nicely - good work.
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Here's an "after" of the Bottom bracket. Oh, and a "before" as a reminder.
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
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The rounded crank arm were used more in the 1950s and 1960s. My understanding was that the Twentys were made in the 1970s, which made a rounded crank arm with eye herons unusual- that is a 1960s part at the latest. Dunelt also used rounded crank arms; not sure how late but into the late 1960s for sure. The crank arm length was 165mm on all the examples I've seen, with chainwheels of either 44 or 46 teeth (the 44 tooth units are much more rare). The eyed herons on Vv's Twenty suggests that the crank was made years before the rest of the bike.
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My research on the Raleigh Twenty indicated that the first Twenty (it went by multiple names over the years) was manufactured in 1969 (anecdotal). If I recall exports to Canada then the US happened in around 1970 (again anecdotal). The first FOLDING Twenty was manufactured in 1971.
They originally came with the 451 20” wheels for all but the US. BMX was getting popular then & the US customers would have better access to the 406 20” tires.
They originally came with the 451 20” wheels for all but the US. BMX was getting popular then & the US customers would have better access to the 406 20” tires.
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Anybody heard of an "English Ranger?" I'm sending a link to it to BigChief, as I'm not sure it should be posted here. 
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If it's English and a 3-speed, it belongs. Post it up.
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OK, The seller says it's English anyway. Does look it too. https://boise.craigslist.org/bik/d/1...555378595.html
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OK, The seller says it's English anyway. Does look it too. https://boise.craigslist.org/bik/d/1...555378595.html
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This is the only 19 tooth hub gear in my fleet. 1958 SW hub.The hub case is actually smaller in diameter so it looks different side by side with SA hub. Its in good shape but haven't put in on anything yet. It has a higher 3rd & lower 1st & uses a 48T. I have a 17T that was on a 1970 Herc with a 44T SA hub.
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Here's an "after" of the Bottom bracket. Oh, and a "before" as a reminder.
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
1971 Raleigh Twenty bottom bracket spindle, lock washer and adjustable cup prior to overhaul. by velocivixen, on Flickr1971 R20 by velocivixen, on Flickr
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Could be a Raleigh built hardware store bike or a Philips Ranger..
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Philips Ranger?I was also wondering about the headset on that bike, as it looks abnormally tall. Was that a stock item?
