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Old 04-11-18, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by browngw
This made in England Supercycle branded Raleigh is a 21" frame with extended seat post and Sunlite stem, built for myself. The 70s Bridgestone bars have a unique shape and are flipped, scorcher style. It rides okay but it does not please my eye with the extended seat post and stem. It was originally a drop bar bike (same model was available with north road style) and I have to decide whether it will sell better as a drop bar or upright. Which would you choose for resale?
The drop bar will look better to me. Upright will have a broader market though.
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I can understand about the aesthetics. I would choose a 23" as a personal rider especially if I wanted to keep an original appearance. But, I have to say that I'm very pleased with the way my Rudge semi scorcher turned out. The project started out as me trying to replace the 50s Rudge scorcher I had as a teenager and always regretted selling. I wanted it to have new paint so I needed one with either an over paint or a finish that wasn't worth preserving. I found this over painted mid 50s Rudge with a replaced fork and a Schwinn front wheel. But it was a 21". The tall sterm doesn't look so bad to me on a scorcher build and it turned out to be a really nice ride. Of all the bikes I have around, this and the DL-1 get the most ride time.

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I can understand about the aesthetics. I would choose a 23" as a personal rider especially if I wanted to keep an original appearance. But, I have to say that I'm very pleased with the way my Rudge semi scorcher turned out. The project started out as me trying to replace the 50s Rudge scorcher I had as a teenager and always regretted selling. I wanted it to have new paint so I needed one with either an over paint or a finish that wasn't worth preserving. I found this over painted mid 50s Rudge with a replaced fork and a Schwinn front wheel. But it was a 21". The tall sterm doesn't look so bad to me on a scorcher build and it turned out to be a really nice ride. Of all the bikes I have around, this and the DL-1 get the most ride time.

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That's a really nice looking bike. What brakes are those? They look more effective than the original?
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The Raleigh made 21" Supercycle as found with drop bar.
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Originally Posted by Ballenxj
That's a really nice looking bike. What brakes are those? They look more effective than the original?
Those are Tektro R559 brake calipers. I can't say they stop the bike any faster than the stock steel calipers with KoolStops, but they have more mechanical advantage and stiffness so they require less pressure on the lever and fit the scorcher image. Very luxurious feel to them. Like power brakes. I did have a lever travel issue with the rear brake. I ended up using 2 Sturmey Archer fulcrum clips (cable stops) on the top tube with some fine sand glued to the inside diameter (so they don't slip) to eliminate the compression from 18" of cable housing. That small amount of efficiency made the rear brake lever travel acceptable for me. Someone here mentioned compressionless cable housing as an alternative, but I went the cable stop route.

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Oh, an afterthought...These brakes have the cable mount on the right side instead of the left like the originals. So when you route the cables for left front/right rear, they cross out in front like the bikes in England where they use the left lever for the rear brake and right for the front. I always liked the look of that cable routing.
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Out and about on the Raleigh export model roadster this evening.

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Full Reynolds 531 3-speed anyone?
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Winter continues. Very possible foot or two of snow, ice this weekend. Its good today to take out the Poodle riding.

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Out and about on the Raleigh export model roadster this evening.

The angles on that frame look so laid back.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
Out and about on the Raleigh export model roadster this evening.
That looks great. Aren't these old roadsters fun? I never expected to like them as much as I do, but now I'm totally addicted.
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Originally Posted by JaccoW
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Brilliant! I wish Raleigh had done that for the US market.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Brilliant! I wish Raleigh had done that for the US market.
An early 1950s Raleigh catalog I have shows the RRA (full DB 531) in “tourist” guise with upright bars and IGH. Don’t know if you could actually get it that way, of course.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
I can understand about the aesthetics. I would choose a 23" as a personal rider especially if I wanted to keep an original appearance. But, I have to say that I'm very pleased with the way my Rudge semi scorcher turned out. The project started out as me trying to replace the 50s Rudge scorcher I had as a teenager and always regretted selling. I wanted it to have new paint so I needed one with either an over paint or a finish that wasn't worth preserving. I found this over painted mid 50s Rudge with a replaced fork and a Schwinn front wheel. But it was a 21". The tall sterm doesn't look so bad to me on a scorcher build and it turned out to be a really nice ride. Of all the bikes I have around, this and the DL-1 get the most ride time.

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That bike checks all the boxes.
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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
Winter continues. Very possible foot or two of snow, ice this weekend. Its good today to take out the Poodle riding.

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johnnyspaghetti, I hope your dog is following Leroy's Dog on Twitter. The two, they might be soul mates.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
I found this over painted mid 50s Rudge with a replaced fork and a Schwinn front wheel. But it was a 21". The tall stem doesn't look so bad to me on a scorcher build and it turned out to be a really nice ride.
I have just purchased something similar, with the original fork and chrome crown cap, and the head tube badge nice, but I think not the Rudge pattern chainwheel, which I don't know why. Maybe I can dig one up, somewhere. I'll need similar extra lift at the seat and stem, but yours looks fine that way, maybe it has to do with the absence of the chainguard and fenders. I doubt the wheels are as perfect as the ones on yours, so most likely it will get CR18s. (I'm intrigued with the notion of going 700C.) But I have a project bike ahead of it so the Rudge will most likely get taken apart for storage in the closet until next winter.
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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
Winter continues. Very possible foot or two of snow, ice this weekend. Its good today to take out the Poodle riding.

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She is not a nice dog. Said that she is so smart. it's wow smart. watches the bike front wheel then follows. i

I use a leash. She doesn't like small children or small dogs.

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Originally Posted by BigChief
Brilliant! I wish Raleigh had done that for the US market.
Yes. So true. But during those years it was such a struggle for bike companies to get adult Americans to take bicycles seriously. Schwinn tried and tried and it wasn't easy for them. Every once in a while here (NYC) I meet someone who says how their grandfather loved bikes and had a beautiful old 50s or early 60s racer and the next thing they say is, wait for it, he was an Italian immigrant.
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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
The bike looks like a hard worker. I see the extra long seat post is all ready bent
I like how my friend and his wife aren't bike fans at all, they just ride the bike around the neighborhood for errands and don't worry about appearance. Like you say, hard worker. No vanity. Is the seat tube bent? I will look closer. Not that it matters. Steel! (Some young guy was selling this in the middle of a snowstorm in front of Paragon Sporting Goods on Broadway. He wanted $40 so I thought what the hell. The guy I'm friendly with at my LBS did a nice job overhauling it, just the usual stuff, and when I rode it over for delivery I was so thrilled I bought my own Sports shortly afterward.)
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Originally Posted by nlerner
An early 1950s Raleigh catalog I have shows the RRA (full DB 531) in “tourist” guise with upright bars and IGH. Don’t know if you could actually get it that way, of course.
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$65. I couldn't stand to think of this thing staying outside so went back today to get a price.
It is a shame the owner is so hard-nosed.
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Almost a custom bike. Wonderful to know it existed.
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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
She is not a nice dog. Said that she is so smart. it's wow smart. watches the bike front wheel then follows. i

I use a leash. She doesn't small chirdern or small dogs.
She's ready for a job interview. You know the advice: never say anything bad about yourself.
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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln
Almost a custom bike. Wonderful to know it existed.
The RRA , the original RRA I should say, is the Grail English IGH bike in my book. At my age and ability I couldn't make the best use of one though. It would be wasted on me at this point, even in roadster trim.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
The RRA , the original RRA I should say, is the Grail English IGH bike in my book. At my age and ability I couldn't make the best use of one though. It would be wasted on me at this point, even in roadster trim.
Imagine the enjoyment buying one new--the discussing with the shop which of all those equipment options to choose, and probably a few kibitzers interestedly observing, with their own opinions, because it wouldn't be every day someone ordered one of those, and then waiting for the bike to finally appear from the factory, and then the sheer crazy enjoyment of those first rides.
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