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Old 05-16-18, 11:00 AM
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Thanks for the photos of the ride. I love seeing all those old 3 speeds, as well as the scenery and some of the forum members.

On a different note, I sold 2 of my Raleigh Twenty’s. I had my all original, pristine “Miss Molly” on CL, when an older gentleman drove from Washington state (just across the river) for it. While he was there we discussed how he got interested in R20’s......long story short I gave him a killer deal on the little coffee colored one that I had just finished overhauling the mechanicals on. Had not gotten around to tires and chrome work. Then I brought out “The Box” with all sorts of R20 specific items. He ended up getting a nice, free rear rack out of the whole thing. Overall I felt good that they went to an enthusiast vs just someone who wanted a bike.
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More about that Lake Pepin Rider, which I guess is the new Lenton Tourist I was so taken with last week from that old catalog: "The geometry, based on an early ‘60s Raleigh Superbe, was tweaked to accommodate 650b wheels,..." Am I correct the rim diameter difference from stock is 6 mm? I wonder if that blog post writer invented the tweaking. No mention of the rim type; they'd have to be alloy, right? You couldn't buy chrome steel rims in that size if you wanted to, I don't think.
Why would you even want to, if the intended purpose is to ride moderate-to-long distances? I rode my DL1 on my first Lake Pepin Tour. Fully kitted out with a rack, panniers, and saddlebag that beast weighed in at 72 lbs. Steel wheels are completely appropriate for that application. But for light touring with only a small load, alloy is the obvious choice. I weighed my Raysport Turismo / Light Roadster just before I left on Saturday morning, and it came out to 42.1 lbs. Of course I've learned to pack lighter these days, and it was a lot easier to pedal this one up the notorious 2.5 mile Bay City Hill. But those alloy Soma "Iggy" wheels felt quite solid over all types of road surface.

As for tweaking the geometry to account for a 6mm difference in wheel diameter, I wouldn't be surprised. After chatting with Jeff for many miles, the impression I got was of a very precise, highly skilled craftsman who would not let a detail like that go without due consideration.

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The Lake Pepin 3-speed tour was a blast! After Maiden Rock, I took the Stockholm Bypass, which is actually a short cut (although there is a bit of climbing, but actually turned out to not be that hard). We bypassed Pepin as well, rejoining the route just as hiway 35 drops into the Chippewa River bottoms.

It was cool to see the 650b wheels on Jeff Bock's bike, and I saw one bike equipped with Weinmann alloy 650a rims. So maybe the CR18s are not the only game in town.
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The Lake Pepin 3-speed tour was a blast! After Maiden Rock, I took the Stockholm Bypass, which is actually a short cut (although there is a bit of climbing, but actually turned out to not be that hard). We bypassed Pepin as well, rejoining the route just as hiway 35 drops into the Chippewa River bottoms.

It was cool to see the 650b wheels on Jeff Bock's bike, and I saw one bike equipped with Weinmann alloy 650a rims. So maybe the CR18s are not the only game in town.
Italian mfr Ambrosio makes a 650a rim that looks, in the pictures, to be modeled after old
Weinmanns. SJS sells them and some others as well. 36 hole only.

Surfing Dutch sellers and found a number of steel and Al rims in the proper size, but all 36h. Dutch seem to have a lot of bikes with the 590mm rims.
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What's the red bike?
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What's the red bike?
I want to play! Based on that photo, I'm going to guess a Super Course Mk. II.

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After reading a little in this thread it's tempting to join the fray... then something like this comes along... mint! I won't do it though. Maybe someday.
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After reading a little in this thread it's tempting to join the fray... then something like this comes along... mint! I won't do it though. Maybe someday.
Early insulated water bottle. Had one just like it. Actually kept cold water cold longer than a standard bottle did but capacity was half that of a standard bottle, so net negative. So long, bottle.
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I want to play! Based on that photo, I'm going to guess a Super Course Mk. II.

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Good guess

Similar to the project I am about to undertake; a first-generation Super Course with a vintage Sturmey Archer AW drivetrain. I am trying to find a good match for the old bronze-green metallic paint right now. Otherwise I'll have to settle for a kind of Hunter or British Racing Green with Almond Creme panels. This bike will also get the bamboo compound curve fenders I bought from Woody's. Should look pretty exotic when I am done. This time I will take enough "before" photos so I can do a proper build thread.

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Good guess

Similar to the project I am about to undertake; a first-generation Super Course with a vintage Sturmey Archer AW drivetrain. I am trying to find a good match for the old bronze-green metallic paint right now. Otherwise I'll have to settle for a kind of Hunter or British Racing Green with Almond Creme panels. This bike will also get the bamboo compound curve fenders I bought from Woody's. Should look pretty exotic when I am done. This time I will take enough "before" photos so I can do a proper build thread.

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Looking forward to seeing this project. Making a IGH vintage style club bike with a Super Course frameset has been a daydream of mine for a long time. Somehow, I ended up going the other way and spend most of my riding time on big roadsters.
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Looking forward to seeing this project. Making a IGH vintage style club bike with a Super Course frameset has been a daydream of mine for a long time. Somehow, I ended up going the other way and spend most of my riding time on big roadsters.
Well, I can tell you that my experience with the Raysport Light Roadster build has been positive in all respects. Lightness is an attribute that really shines on long road rides, for obvious reasons. The tighter handling and ease of climbing make up for the slight loss of stability. Having said that, however, I don't think I'll be getting rid of my DL1 any time soon. On some days I just feel like sitting up straight and rolling down the road with dignity. It's almost like a one man parade; and I usually feel underdressed. Where does one get a tophat these days, anyway?

Speaking of which, there was an impeccable later model DL1 on this ride. Here's a shot of it at ye olde stone wall in Old Frontenac:



While we are on the subject of that iconic wall, here are a few more English classics lounging against the rocks:


I really like the looks of this old Hercules.


Here's a closeup of his "kit". As the day warmed up, the tweed came off, and where else can you stow it on a bicycle?


A matching his-n-hers pair of Raleighs. The lavender scarf is a nice touch...


Another "kit shot", this one on an old Phillips.

On Sunday afternoon, I rode with a couple from Iowa; Rick and Lisa Paulos. They were pedaling their Jack Taylor tandem at a respectable pace, and we settled into a mile-eating rhythm that took us on a couple of off-highway excursions. This dirt road was a welcome break from the mad traffic on Highway 61.



Here they are on another backroad, paralleling `61.



I'm getting near the end of my "roll of film", as it were. I'll go through them one more time tonight to see if I've left anything good out. For now, I'll leave you with this:




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Well, I can tell you that my experience with the Raysport Light Roadster build has been positive in all respects. Lightness is an attribute that really shines on long road rides, for obvious reasons. The tighter handling and ease of climbing make up for the slight loss of stability. Having said that, however, I don't think I'll be getting rid of my DL1 any time soon. On some days I just feel like sitting up straight and rolling down the road with dignity. It's almost like a one man parade; and I usually feel underdressed. Where does one get a tophat these days, anyway?

Speaking of which, there was an impeccable later model DL1 on this ride. Here's a shot of it at ye olde stone wall in Old Frontenac:



While we are on the subject of that iconic wall, here are a few more English classics lounging against the rocks:


I really like the looks of this old Hercules.


Here's a closeup of his "kit". As the day warmed up, the tweed came off, and where else can you stow it on a bicycle?


A nice his-n-hers pair of Raleighs. The lavender scarf is a nice touch...


Another "kit shot", this one on an old Phillips.

On Sunday afternoon, I rode with a couple from Iowa; Rick and Lisa Paulos. They were pedaling their Jack Taylor tandem at a respectable pace, and we settled into a mile-eating rhythm that took us on a couple of off-highway excursions. This dirt road was a welcome break from the mad traffic on Highway 61.



Here they are on another backroad, paralleling `61.



I'm getting near the end of my "roll of film", as it were. I'll go through them one more time tonight to see if I've left anything good out. For now, I'll leave you with this:




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Man, what a fine day out. So many new bikes look freakish to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But a ride composed of bikes made the traditional way, whether diamond or step-thru frames, what a relief on the eyes.
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... then something like this comes along...
That's a very nice find. I hope someone here gets it.
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It's in the wrong thread... I'll put it in the "are you looking for one of these" Craigslist thread, and maybe someone from here will pick it up.
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Speaking of Raleigh SuperCourses retrofitted with IG hubs, I had my '73 SuperCourse out a couple of weekends ago on a group ride in CT. It's fitted with a 5-speed S-A hub (which @Velocivixen thoroughly overhauled for me) with a downtube shifter on the left side and a trigger shifter on the bars. Here it is trailing a couple of pretty fancy custom builds: the blue one is a Brian Chapman and the black one a MAP/Mitch Prior:


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It's in the wrong thread... I'll put it in the "are you looking for one of these" Craigslist thread, and maybe someone from here will pick it up.
All things considered, I think it was very appropriate here.
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@nlerner - Hey, so honestly, how did it perform? The hub I overhauled? It was a joy to see the innards of one of those! That photo with the rock wall backdrop is great. Reminds me of what I imagine old time England looks like.
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This one popped up but I am in Texas won't be back till Sat. What year model does this look to be?

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...588494460.html

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This one popped up but I am in Texas won't be back till Sat. What year model does this look to be?

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...588494460.html

It has the chainwheel without V brackets, that started sometime in 1973. It still has the plain hockey stick chainguard. The hook style guard first appeared in the 1977 catalog, so I'll guess 1973-1976.
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Loose headset update.

I decided to try to shim the top head race - it was pretty loose and slid right out with no effort. I figured I'd try a thin aluminum shim, so I cut a strip from a Coke can. I had to press the race in (not too difficult) and it seemed to take the play out of the headset. No issues on my ride today, so we'll see if it hold up. Thanks for the help everyone. (Wow! That's a big picture!)
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Loose headset update.

I decided to try to shim the top head race - it was pretty loose and slid right out with no effort. I figured I'd try a thin aluminum shim, so I cut a strip from a Coke can. I had to press the race in (not too difficult) and it seemed to take the play out of the headset. No issues on my ride today, so we'll see if it hold up. Thanks for the help everyone. (Wow! That's a big picture!)
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A nice his-n-hers pair of Raleighs. The lavender scarf is a nice touch...
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BTW the Stockholm bypass is almost exactly the same length as the main route...
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Speaking of Raleigh SuperCourses retrofitted with IG hubs, I had my '73 SuperCourse out a couple of weekends ago on a group ride in CT. It's fitted with a 5-speed S-A hub (which @Velocivixen thoroughly overhauled for me) with a downtube shifter on the left side and a trigger shifter on the bars. Here it is trailing a couple of pretty fancy custom builds: the blue one is a Brian Chapman and the black one a MAP/Mitch Prior:


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Wow! There's my daydream bike come to life. Great idea using an S5 hub. I would have loved to see pictures of the S5 rebuild. Looks like a super fun ride...I'm inspired!
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Speaking of Raleigh SuperCourses retrofitted with IG hubs, I had my '73 SuperCourse out a couple of weekends ago on a group ride in CT. It's fitted with a 5-speed S-A hub (which @Velocivixen thoroughly overhauled for me) with a downtube shifter on the left side and a trigger shifter on the bars. Here it is trailing a couple of pretty fancy custom builds: the blue one is a Brian Chapman and the black one a MAP/Mitch Prior:


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Nlerner would you mind taking a closer photo of the left hand side of your S5 routing? It looks tidy. I have an S5 project bike and would like a neater solution to what I've done in the past - too many cables on the handlebars. It's a bit hard for me to see, but it looks like you're running bare cable from the lever to a stop/clip around level with the chainring teeth, then outer to the chromed part of the chainstay? And bare cable on the other side?
And Yes! How did the S5 perform?

Ddeand - great fix with the shim! Simple and easy

Thanks all for posting images from the Lake Pepin tour. I'd like to do this sometime.
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Nlerner would you mind taking a closer photo of the left hand side of your S5 routing?
Here are some pics of the details:

Left side starts with a Simplex downtube lever:




Cable is then routed through the existing down-tube cable stop, and housing then goes to a clamp-on chain-stay stop:


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Drive side routing is pretty much standard along the top tube to a fulcrum stop and then to a cable pulley at the top of the seat tube:




Cockpit isn't too crowded:




The CT ride was fairly hilling and the hub had some difficulties in the low gear under load, but it was manageable.
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