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Old 05-19-18, 03:29 PM
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Have you done the string test? I know, it's real back yard technology, but it works. I've used it in the past along with some highly precise 2x4 cold setting to fix wandering 3 speeds in the past.
String Test?
Tell me more.
I've spent the day unsuccessfully installing a new fuel pump on a 73 914....
I thought it was plumbed correctly but the car runs like sh*t.
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Gotta love youtube. I figured I'd find it there.
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And even alignment
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I wonder if I have even one bike that is straight. Maybe I am better off if I don't know.
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On the original S5, it is possible to partially catch the Bottom gear, but then have it kick out while riding. The non-drive side cable with tighten enough to engage the gear, but then it does not go full-tight such that the gear "locks" in place. When the Bottom is locked in place, you'll feel a definite "click" while shifting into it.

One way to help make sure it gets locked in place is to "walk" the pedals forward gently while pulling on the non-drive side stick until you feel it "lock" into place. If you don't feel the lock-up, it may not be fully in gear and may kick back out under load.

This is especially a problem if the non-dive indicator is not adjusted tightly enough - you'll get full throw on the stick just before reaching that "lock in" point.

The original type S5 is a fun hub, but it's definitely a quirky thing compared to the modern stuff.

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Originally Posted by BigChief
And even alignment
alignment
Both videos very helpful.
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I'm glad I watched them too. I've never seen the proper way to measure frame alignment. I've only known the string method. I like his home made tool. One thing he didn't show was the home made tool for dropout alignment. It's just a couple pieces of threaded rod, 4 nuts and 4 washers. As a bonus, the threaded rod comes in 3 foot lengths so there's plenty left over to make a fork spreader which I think is an essential tool for 3 speeders. Some of those Raleigh forks are just way too tight.
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Originally Posted by gster
String Test?
Tell me more.
I've spent the day unsuccessfully installing a new fuel pump on a 73 914....
I thought it was plumbed correctly but the car runs like sh*t.
I'm on the 914 forum looking for help.
That is why I like fixing bicycles.

You need fuel and spark...Have you checked the fuel pick up in the tank?
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Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
You need fuel and spark...Have you checked the fuel pick up in the tank?
I thought about it last night and seemed to have solved the issue.
I've replaced the original 3 port pump ($1400.00 US plus shipping) with
a 2 port pump ($100.00) there was an orphaned return line that needed to be plumbed back into the
loop.
The return line is now just ahead of the filter and all seems good..
I just need to tidy up the lines and take it out for a spin.
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I've re routed the fuel return line (from engine) back to the pump input ahead of the filter.
Seems to run good and no leaks!
Now to get back to fixing 3 speeds!
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
On the original S5, it is possible to partially catch the Bottom gear, but then have it kick out while riding. The non-drive side cable with tighten enough to engage the gear, but then it does not go full-tight such that the gear "locks" in place. When the Bottom is locked in place, you'll feel a definite "click" while shifting into it.
Not familiar with these. In Sheldon's article he seems to be saying that when both sides are pulled tight it's functioning like an AW hub. So the benefit of a lower first gear would happen by using a bigger cog. ??? Have I understood this correctly?
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Got to get to work fixing the steering column support bushing (headset?) on my British 5 speed roadster. It means squeezing under the dash and reaching up for the firewall. Sorry, @gster made me do it!
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I can't remember the last time I saw a 914 on the road. Amazing how fast time seems to go as you get older. It didn't used to be difficult to find old 3 speeds from the 50s. It wasn't uncommon to see fun things like bug eyed Sprites in town.
Times change and cars might be better in many ways, but they all look the same to me. Funny, all these years later I still remember standing in a parking lot with some friends on a motorcycle ride break when this pretty blonde waved at us from a gleaming red MGA. That car boosted her creds with us tenfold.
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Originally Posted by browngw
Got to get to work fixing the steering column support bushing (headset?) on my British 5 speed roadster. It means squeezing under the dash and reaching up for the firewall. Sorry, @gster made me do it!
Hey!
Don't blame me!
Nice looking car.
That fuel pump was on my fix list since last summer.
Somehow the time and patience just got away from me.
I just got back from a good hour long road test and all is right with the car.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
I can't remember the last time I saw a 914 on the road. Amazing how fast time seems to go as you get older. It didn't used to be difficult to find old 3 speeds from the 50s. It wasn't uncommon to see fun things like bug eyed Sprites in town.
I too miss all the furrin oldies, the Simcas, the Renaults, Sprites, Spitfires and TR4s, Citroens, Fiats, and even the rattle of the original Beetle's flat four.
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Originally Posted by browngw
Got to get to work fixing the steering column support bushing (headset?) on my British 5 speed roadster. It means squeezing under the dash and reaching up for the firewall. Sorry, @gster made me do it!
They are merciless making fun of these on Detectorists.
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Starting bid $50 matching ladies starts bid $50 in Maryland. They look mid 70's

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-l...7-c-c9f486bbad

Thank you much for posting that. I got both of those. $150 total including auction fees. I'll pick them up next week. The auctioneer said he wouldn't mind holding them for 10 days. Now, I have to thin my herd.
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Opened the chaincase of the '53 Raleigh Sports today and found a black enamelled chainwheel in there.
Was that common practice with closed chaincases in those days ?

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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln
I too miss all the furrin oldies, the Simcas, the Renaults, Sprites, Spitfires and TR4s, Citroens, Fiats, and even the rattle of the original Beetle's flat four.
Cars from my past include
Karmann Ghia
Renault Caravelle
Fiat 850
64 Corvair
65 Corvair
65 Corvair (still have)
But the 3 speeds never leave you stranded at the
side of the road.....
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I am new to the forum and a just got into riding after 40 years. My first bicycle in the 1960s was a Raleigh 3 speed so it is interesting to find this thread. That bell on your bar was a flashback for me. I think I had one of those, or similar. Is it and the headlight from that time period?
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Thank you much for posting that. I got both of those. $150 total including auction fees. I'll pick them up next week. The auctioneer said he wouldn't mind holding them for 10 days. Now, I have to thin my herd.
Nice! And a Brooks B66 too. That's worth half the price alone. Good score.
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Originally Posted by Palden
I am new to the forum and a just got into riding after 40 years. My first bicycle in the 1960s was a Raleigh 3 speed so it is interesting to find this thread. That bell on your bar was a flashback for me. I think I had one of those, or similar. Is it and the headlight from that time period?
That's a Superbe. The bullet headlamp, front dyno hub and rear carrier were standard on that model. Don't know about the bell, but they were a traditional accessory for the old English roadsters.
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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln
Not familiar with these. In Sheldon's article he seems to be saying that when both sides are pulled tight it's functioning like an AW hub. So the benefit of a lower first gear would happen by using a bigger cog. ??? Have I understood this correctly?
No - the Bottom gear on the S5 is lower than the AW's low. The Top on the S5 is higher than the AW's High gear. The trade off of having more gears though is the less straightforward control system the S5 uses compared to the AW. But it's not hard to become proficient shifting the S5. The S5 is much more expensive to buy and the parts are harder to find and more expensive than the AW. They each have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
No - the Bottom gear on the S5 is lower than the AW's low. The Top on the S5 is higher than the AW's High gear. The trade off of having more gears though is the less straightforward control system the S5 uses compared to the AW. But it's not hard to become proficient shifting the S5. The S5 is much more expensive to buy and the parts are harder to find and more expensive than the AW. They each have their advantages and disadvantages.
That's right. Here's how they compare:
AW -25% 0 +33%
S5 -33.3% -21% 0 +26.6% +50%
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I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I have to retire my LTD-3. There are a few cracks in the paint around the lugs, and they seem to be growing.

The good news is I found a replacement. A 1964 Mercury Courier. Never heard of Mercury before, but it looks like it was made by Raleigh. I'll be swapping some parts over, wheels, tires, saddle and maybe more. The kidapult will be removed, but is in surprisingly good shape. I'm tempted to seek out a more exciting chainguard. The heron chainring from the LTD-3 will likely be swapped over as well.
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