For the love of English 3 speeds...
07-19-18, 02:40 PM
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And yes the drums are heavy, but if you are 140 lbs this is a concern. I imagine both front and back weigh less than 10 lbs so go figure as to the consequence.
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Are you certain you are in 1st and slipping to second, perhaps you are in 2nd slipping to third.
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If you do end up lacing in a regular AW hub, you could always fit a FW or S5 into the shell if one came along. For me at least, the big roadsters need a granny gear, so I'm using a 22T cog with the 46T chainwheel. It's OK, but it would be nice to have an overdrive at times. You do loose that when you gear an AW down enough for geezer legs to climb hills.
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Thing is when I bought the bike in the spring I took the hub apart and although there was a lot of sludge and dried grease, I got it all cleaned off, or thought I did. But your WD40 idea can't do any harm.
07-19-18, 04:11 PM
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Before doing anything else, give the wheel a spin, and while its spinning, put the shifter in low, and as the wheel continues to spin, see if you can pull out the toggle chain any further. If you didn't do this initially when setting up the shifter, the hub may have fooled you into thinking it was in low when it was really in 2nd.
07-20-18, 08:16 AM
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Newb "FTLOE3S" question: Has this thread been deemed the de facto place to pose Raleigh 3-speed questions? Would I have better luck posting here or starting a new specific thread in the main C&V sub-forum in regards to bit and pieces?
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07-20-18, 08:28 AM
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07-20-18, 09:41 AM
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Just the best thread: )
But cannot have too many pics, hey?
3 x 3 speeds (Raleigh RSWs) on the Worcestershire Beacon.
Hard work on the ascent, mad coming down; )
And we never saw one MTB.
But cannot have too many pics, hey?
3 x 3 speeds (Raleigh RSWs) on the Worcestershire Beacon.
Hard work on the ascent, mad coming down; )
And we never saw one MTB.
07-20-18, 09:54 AM
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07-20-18, 10:49 AM
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We are going to the highest point behind...
On 3 bikes that some people laugh at here in UK: )
A great scenic route & a great day out.
We might be old 'hippies' but we enjoy & use 3 speeds; )
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Hooks not buttons
Might help if I foto the correct side of the Dynohub
Twist and go
I have never seen these before. Apparently after 1935 the walls of the Dynohubs had oversized elongated double spoke holes to avoid this dilemma. For this one (1934) you had a twisted curl on the hub end, instead of a button, to enable the lacing up of the wheel hub. The taller wall hub housing containing the Dynohubs meant the conventional method of inserting the buttoned spokes thru the out-of-alighned hub eyelets impossible .
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07-20-18, 01:09 PM
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This isn't the official all finished photo. I still have the lights to fix. Sometimes you put a lot of work into a bike only to find that you don't like to ride it much. Not so here. This one is a nice, nice ride. A keeper. Very smooth and solid feeling.
I couldn't help myself...I scanned eBay until I found a pair of 50s English roadster grips. I know I've been jabbering on about that lately. I also know that it's not entirely rational to spend 47 dollars on a pair of old handlebar grips for a 150 dollar bike, but if I was a rational person I wouldn't have a barn of full of old 3 speeds. Go figure. Still, no more projects until I unload some bikes. There's 3 I want to keep. I routed the brake cables English style. Neater and it leaves a nice spot for the headlight. I'm used to left/front from my rod brakes anyway. My thanks to RJ the bike guy on you tube. His video of the Dyno hub was super helpful.
I left the old Dunlop Sport tires on. And they do say inflate hard!
The ESGE doesn't quite cover up the damage to the left chain stay.
Not much wear on the rubber pedals. Don't think this bike ever saw much mileage.
I couldn't help myself...I scanned eBay until I found a pair of 50s English roadster grips. I know I've been jabbering on about that lately. I also know that it's not entirely rational to spend 47 dollars on a pair of old handlebar grips for a 150 dollar bike, but if I was a rational person I wouldn't have a barn of full of old 3 speeds. Go figure. Still, no more projects until I unload some bikes. There's 3 I want to keep. I routed the brake cables English style. Neater and it leaves a nice spot for the headlight. I'm used to left/front from my rod brakes anyway. My thanks to RJ the bike guy on you tube. His video of the Dyno hub was super helpful.
I left the old Dunlop Sport tires on. And they do say inflate hard!
The ESGE doesn't quite cover up the damage to the left chain stay.
Not much wear on the rubber pedals. Don't think this bike ever saw much mileage.
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07-21-18, 09:01 AM
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This isn't the official all finished photo. I still have the lights to fix. Sometimes you put a lot of work into a bike only to find that you don't like to ride it much. Not so here. This one is a nice, nice ride. A keeper. Very smooth and solid feeling.
I couldn't help myself...I scanned eBay until I found a pair of 50s English roadster grips. I know I've been jabbering on about that lately. I also know that it's not entirely rational to spend 47 dollars on a pair of old handlebar grips for a 150 dollar bike, but if I was a rational person I wouldn't have a barn of full of old 3 speeds. Go figure. Still, no more projects until I unload some bikes. There's 3 I want to keep. I routed the brake cables English style. Neater and it leaves a nice spot for the headlight. I'm used to left/front from my rod brakes anyway. My thanks to RJ the bike guy on you tube. His video of the Dyno hub was super helpful.
I left the old Dunlop Sport tires on. And they do say inflate hard!
The ESGE doesn't quite cover up the damage to the left chain stay.
Not much wear on the rubber pedals. Don't think this bike ever saw much mileage.
I couldn't help myself...I scanned eBay until I found a pair of 50s English roadster grips. I know I've been jabbering on about that lately. I also know that it's not entirely rational to spend 47 dollars on a pair of old handlebar grips for a 150 dollar bike, but if I was a rational person I wouldn't have a barn of full of old 3 speeds. Go figure. Still, no more projects until I unload some bikes. There's 3 I want to keep. I routed the brake cables English style. Neater and it leaves a nice spot for the headlight. I'm used to left/front from my rod brakes anyway. My thanks to RJ the bike guy on you tube. His video of the Dyno hub was super helpful.
I left the old Dunlop Sport tires on. And they do say inflate hard!
The ESGE doesn't quite cover up the damage to the left chain stay.
Not much wear on the rubber pedals. Don't think this bike ever saw much mileage.
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The recent conversations about long-distance riding on a 3-speed inspired me to kit together a build and take on this challenge. The frameset is a mid-1970s Wes Mason (the second M in the MKM/Ron Kitching enterprise), full DB Reynolds 531, so reasonably light weight. To continue the keep the weight down (and compensate for the relatively heavy IGH), I went with a set of CLB brakes, a 122bcd later-model Nervar crankset with 45t ring, American Classic seat post, Brooks Swift with Ti rails, Nitto technomic stem, GB bars, and Brooks leather wrap, Shimano aero levers, Shimano A520 pedals. Wheelset is a rear 40-hole Titan Matrix and front is a Mavic with similar box section and color. Tires are Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30mm (and a bit of a tight fit between the chain stays). Rear hub is an FM with alloy shell dated Sept 1954 (okay, I cheated and went with a 4-speed!). Total weight on my hanging scale as shown is about 22.5 lbs.
The frame is a smidge on the small side for me, but that keeps the weight down for this purpose and fit feels pretty good as shown. I'll take it for a 20-30-mile test ride in the next day or so and decide if it'll suffice for a century ride next week.
The frame is a smidge on the small side for me, but that keeps the weight down for this purpose and fit feels pretty good as shown. I'll take it for a 20-30-mile test ride in the next day or so and decide if it'll suffice for a century ride next week.
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This is strange. There was no continuity from the center bulb contact to the switch pole. So I took it apart. There's not even any from the bare wires to the brass tab. I can't imaging how that could happen. That wire has been sitting still, yet it's broken under the insulation somehow. I suppose I'll have to bend those tabs back and see what horror awaits me on the other side of that Masonite. Nice soldering job huh? Those guys were really on the ball. Well, here's one thing wrong. I'll see if I can repair it and hope it's the only issue.
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Spotted these sweet CCM multi-speeds at the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show a few weeks ago. The idea of using a Sturmey-Archer three speed with a derailleur intrigues me. Perhaps its time to start some research. If the owner of these bikes in on BF, kudos for a great collection.
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your if I were a rational person quote makes me think my corollary " If I were a rational person there wouldn't be a bike work stand in my dining room .."
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@Buellster if$$ isn't an object you might even consider converting the Harding to a 700c wheels and the sourcing a (gasp!) new IGH wheelset with more gears, but since vintage 3 speeds are abundant and can be had relatively inexpensively in most places you might start with a purpose built 3 speed to restore and see how you like it before tackling a conversion project. YMMV
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Spotted these sweet CCM multi-speeds at the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show a few weeks ago. The idea of using a Sturmey-Archer three speed with a derailleur intrigues me. Perhaps its time to start some research. If the owner of these bikes in on BF, kudos for a great collection.
07-21-18, 02:19 PM
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Since you wrote "fora", I am obliged to state that "fawna" is incorrect. This comes from having multiple aunts who were teachers. The word is "fauna" (there will be no slap across the palm with a ruler).
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