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Old 09-09-18, 07:18 AM
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I already asked in the ISO thread but I wanted to ask here since it's the kind if part I imagine you gents have laying around.
Does anybody have eithier a 700c or 27" tire with the hub housing built in? I dont need the internals just the hub case tied into the wheel. I'm looking to plug my 4 speed FW into an already built AW 3 speed wheel.
My LBS has a fully built 700c for $60 but I'm looking for a cheaper route (as always).
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Originally Posted by Buellster
God that is a beautiful bike. Its bikes like this that make me scour craigslist and offer up for hours looking for a bike to start a new project with. Is that a gold chain? And what kind of handlbars do you have on that beauty? (I'm sure you've been asked these questions before haha)
Thanks, Buellster. This bike existed in my head for a couple years before I could make it a reality. I think that is the key to a successful project - knowing exactly what you want for each component ahead of time. It helps to have a sketch to work from. I learned that from watching hot-rod builder programs on TV.

Yes, that is a KMC gold chain. Perfectly adequate for this application, and it adds one more visual detail that might get missed otherwise. The handlebar is a Velo Orange Milan.

I'm on the fence right now about adding a chainguard. This is, after all, a lightweight roadster. The kind of chainguard I would use has the mounting bracket secured by the bottom bracket. As such, it would move the chain-line outboard by a couple mm's. So I would have to put a spacer behind the rear cog to compensate. I'm leaving it the way it is for now. We'll see what I decide this winter, when the cold weather drives me into the shop for the evenings.

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Originally Posted by BigChief
+1. This is one of the best looking lightweight roadster projects I've ever seen. Love it.
Thanks, BigChief. That means a lot coming from you.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words. 2018 has been a very tough year for me, and this bike is one of the few highlights I can look back on to sort of balance good with bad.

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Originally Posted by DQRider
Thanks, Buellster. This bike existed in my head for a couple years before I could make it a reality. I think that is the key to a successful project - knowing exactly what you want for each component ahead of time. It helps to have a sketch to work from. I learned that from watching hot-rod builder programs on TV.

Yes, that is a KMC gold chain. Perfectly adequate for this application, and it adds one more visual detail that might get missed otherwise. The handlebar is a Velo Orange Milan.

I'm on the fence right now about adding a chainguard. This is, after all, a lightweight roadster. The kind of chainguard I would use has the mounting bracket secured by the bottom bracket. As such, it would move the chain-line outboard by a couple mm's. So I would have to put a spacer behind the rear cog to compensate. I'm leaving it the way it is for now. We'll see what I decide this winter, when the cold weather drives me into the shop for the evenings.

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I've found that's an incredibly important part of planning a build, having each piece thought out. You saw how well the seat of my pants approach worked with my Harding haha
Now that I have a daily rider I feel I can really take my time and be patient and methodical with my plans.
In the short term to get a feel for it I will likley plug the 4 speed into my sports (big chief had mentioned that may be possible and sheldons site confirms that a 3 speed aw hub case is identical to a 4).
I am however always keeping an eye for the forever home that the 4 speed will end up in. I want it to be a 531 or similar frame. The search is a big part of the fun.

The chain is great. It's one of those touches that makes the bike feel well thought out and just look well done.
VO makes such lovely bars for vintage projects. I have a set of crazy bars and a set of porterur bars. The crazy bars are silly but I like them and the ports have an old cruiser feel.

be sure to let us know! I imagine whatever you decide to do will look good given the project so far. I can't see the eye for detail that built this beauty up leading you astray.
I'm sorry to hear you've had a rough year. You have been very helpful and kind to me with my uninformed and ill informed questions. I do hope it improves for you.
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@gster lovely....one of my other hobbies is old outboards so give me a ping when you are finishing and thinking of powering the beauty.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Two 21" 71 Sports parts bikes for 50 bucks in eastern Mass. Too far away for me, but a ton of goodies here.


https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/bi...681205423.html
So the seller dropped the price to $20 for the two, and I couldn't resist. I picked them up this morning. The men's 21" coffee Sports is in quite decent shape with some oxidation here and there. The lady's bike is a pretty rusty thing though the handlebars and stem have good chrome and the wheels are nice and true (and the tires are holding their air). I'll likely swap the wheels (rear hub dated 1971) and any other chrome parts that are in better shape on to the men's bike and sell that one off fairly quickly.

The seller was a junk dealer of some sort in Weymouth, MA, and left the bikes out in the back of his store with instructions to take 'em away and leave $20 in his mailbox. So that's what I did.
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Originally Posted by markk900
@gster lovely....one of my other hobbies is old outboards so give me a ping when you are finishing and thinking of powering the beauty.
Yes....
Will do
13'
35-40hp has been suggested.
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please, please post shots as you go about with that craft! OT be damned!

Really took my breath short on seeing one of the old runabouts again.
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please, please post shots as you go about with that craft! OT be damned!

Really took my breath short on seeing one of the old runabouts again.
Will do if others don't object...
Spent the day sanding the deck and
rub rail.


The boat may have originally looked like this NOS
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Originally Posted by nlerner
So the seller dropped the price to $20 for the two, and I couldn't resist. I picked them up this morning. The men's 21" coffee Sports is in quite decent shape with some oxidation here and there. The lady's bike is a pretty rusty thing though the handlebars and stem have good chrome and the wheels are nice and true (and the tires are holding their air). I'll likely swap the wheels (rear hub dated 1971) and any other chrome parts that are in better shape on to the men's bike and sell that one off fairly quickly.

The seller was a junk dealer of some sort in Weymouth, MA, and left the bikes out in the back of his store with instructions to take 'em away and leave $20 in his mailbox. So that's what I did.
That's a killer deal at 20 bucks. I just spent almost that much for a front hub. Although it is a 32H Bayliss Wiley that I've been searching for. Even after the wheel swap you'll still have plenty of good parts left over on the stepthrough. Funny little things that tend to wear out like the lower fork race are hard to come by.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
That's a killer deal at 20 bucks. I just spent almost that much for a front hub. Although it is a 32H Bayliss Wiley that I've been searching for. Even after the wheel swap you'll still have plenty of good parts left over on the stepthrough. Funny little things that tend to wear out like the lower fork race are hard to come by.
Thanks! I actually have a spare rear S-A 3-speed rear wheel that I trash picked last year. I'll need to scour the trash or build a front wheel to outfit the lady's frame and then likely give it away to a co-worker (it'll be an excellent low-profile Boston-area commuter).
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Originally Posted by gster
Will do if others don't object...
Spent the day sanding the deck and
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The boat may have originally looked like this NOS
Chris Craft kit.
Man that is going to look fantastic when you lay down some marine varnish! Is this just the shell or does it have all its brass?
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Man that is going to look fantastic when you lay down some marine varnish! Is this just the shell or does it have all its brass?
There is some hardware.
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Just happened across this: https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...688503667.html
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Vintage 1930's Raleigh 3-speed woman's bike. It has a brooks B73 saddle and rod operated drum brakes, front and rear. The hub is a Sturmey Archer KN4 and the shifter is a Sturmey Archer Model K. It has 28x1 1/2 tires, a fully enclosed chain guard, and even a flip down kickstand along the downtube. The bike is in excellent condition for its age and is rideable! Please refer to the pictures for the condition. It does have some pitting on the chrome, and some light surface rust on parts of the painted surfaces. The pin striping on the front wheel has been mostly scraped away, and the rear has some chipping.

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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
The Linus Roadster looks pretty darn close to the real thing.
somebody sold one of those local for $75
Ad had been up like three hours and 8 people had already said they'd buy it.
He had no idea what it was worth and just wanted it out of his garage.
Best deal I've missed hands down.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
The Linus Roadster looks pretty darn close to the real thing.
I'm just saying that you can try to replicate a roadster but there's something about the ride of the originals that I've yet to find in a repro. Linus are nice modern utilitarian bikes, yet they are nothing like the DL just above. Different steel, ride, weight, angles, mojo. Each are worth owning for their own merits, like all bikes.
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Ahhh a Superbe! Nice find. Won't last long at that price. Found another good project 23" 57 Sports up this way. Seller mentions the "rare" SW hub. Apparently, it needs an overhaul. Yup, uh huh.
https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/c...691823679.html
Jeez, the ad is still up and it now says $35. Jeez. Wonder if the dynohub works. Looks pretty straight and complete. Saddle might need a bit of work, though.
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Originally Posted by clubman
I'm just saying that you can try to replicate a roadster but there's something about the ride of the originals that I've yet to find in a repro. Linus are nice modern utilitarian bikes, yet they are nothing like the DL just above. Different steel, ride, weight, angles, mojo. Each are worth owning for their own merits, like all bikes.
I bought a Linus Gaston (single speed) before I was into the 3 speeds.


I rode it and liked it for a year or so,
but it's sat in the garage for ages now.
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Originally Posted by desconhecido
Jeez, the ad is still up and it now says $35. Jeez. Wonder if the dynohub works. Looks pretty straight and complete. Saddle might need a bit of work, though.
30 now. dang. It is hard to see in these pictures, but the rims look good. The frame looks pretty good. Looks like rust is working it's way through the front mudguard. There's not really anything to go wrong in a dynohub unless somebody took it apart and wrecked it. Sure the Brooks is shot, but for 30 bucks, it's a steal. I couldn't resist this one if it was close by.
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Originally Posted by agmetal
Just happened across this: https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...688503667.html
image 1 of 11 >
Vintage 1930's Raleigh 3-speed woman's bike. It has a brooks B73 saddle and rod operated drum brakes, front and rear. The hub is a Sturmey Archer KN4 and the shifter is a Sturmey Archer Model K. It has 28x1 1/2 tires, a fully enclosed chain guard, and even a flip down kickstand along the downtube. The bike is in excellent condition for its age and is rideable! Please refer to the pictures for the condition. It does have some pitting on the chrome, and some light surface rust on parts of the painted surfaces. The pin striping on the front wheel has been mostly scraped away, and the rear has some chipping.

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This is a fascinating bike. It's great to see the original transfers and there's still some remnants of the red and gold pin striping. Notice the handlebar grips. I think they are original. If you look at the catalogs from the 30s and 40s, you'll see these short grips on the rod brake bikes. Most of the loop framed 28" wheeled bikes seem to have Terry saddles in the catalogs. I bet they're even more rare than the grips.
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Just found this in a dutch kringloopwinkel east of nijmegen for 40. Or rather, a friend did. I got out of bed and rode my other one there without even stopping to get a shower first.

1973 hub dated, tyres still hold air, surface rust on the rims, and has clips from a DBU on it. Only thing really wrong was the circlip holding the cog was popped off. According to the shop sticker it was originally sold in york.

Why do they only show up when I'm not even looking for one?
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That's a good one. I can see how you couldn't pass on it. We never got this model in the US. I guess the white blaze wasn't required in Holland. Nice bike.
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That's a good one. I can see how you couldn't pass on it. We never got this model in the US. I guess the white blaze wasn't required in Holland. Nice bike.
York is in England They didn't sell rod brakes to dutch people, this is a British market bike someone brought over personally. Absolute one in a million chance to find it.
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Well, it sure is a good find. Here in the US, we got the white blaze on English roadsters up until the very late 70s.
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