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Old 10-03-18, 03:25 PM
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I'd be tempted to pursue this deal if I had the time to pick them up: three bikes including a 23" 1960s Raleigh Superbe for $75 in Plymouth, MA. The MTB would make for a good winter beater:

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/bi...713814503.html

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Originally Posted by Piff View Post
Thanks everyone for your expertise, I'm glad I asked a question here before making plans!

Considering the difficulty and cost of putting together a 700c or 27" 3-speed wheel...I may just wait on this and go for a 1x5 drivetrain. Should be much cheaper and easier, and I'll go for the roadster style when I've got a bit more funds around.

I hope to one day post it in this thread
That's where I'm at with my FW roadster build.
I would poke into your local used parts lbs if you have one. Mine has a 700c SA 3 speed hub already built for 60 bucks. You could be lucky and find one at yours. Just a suggestion
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If you don't want to wait for donors and do rim/hub swaps, I saw in a tweet that Harris Cyclery is once again stocking 700c wheels (Sun CR-18 rims) with Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs:

https://www.harriscyclery.net/produc...wheel-5766.htm
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
If you don't want to wait for donors and do rim/hub swaps, I saw in a tweet that Harris Cyclery is once again stocking 700c wheels (Sun CR-18 rims) with Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs:

https://www.harriscyclery.net/produc...wheel-5766.htm
That looks like a sweet setup with everything you need for the conversion.
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Old 10-04-18, 02:46 PM
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ID this part please




I think this is a headlight bracket that mounts on the quill stem bolt, but that seems to be a dangerous place to put a light. The bracket is the right width for this purpose. Could it be Motobecane?
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You are exactly right. Raleigh used them too on some bikes in the 40s and 50s.
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Old 10-04-18, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
If you don't want to wait for donors and do rim/hub swaps, I saw in a tweet that Harris Cyclery is once again stocking 700c wheels (Sun CR-18 rims) with Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs:

https://www.harriscyclery.net/produc...wheel-5766.htm
Now THAT is very interesting
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Old 10-05-18, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dweenk View Post



I think this is a headlight bracket that mounts on the quill stem bolt, but that seems to be a dangerous place to put a light. The bracket is the right width for this purpose. Could it be Motobecane?
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You are exactly right. Raleigh used them too on some bikes in the 40s and 50s.

....and '30s

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Old 10-05-18, 05:35 PM
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Not English, but Belgian. Coming back from a drive on Skyline Drive today I spotted some bikes in front of a junk shop on U.S. 33 near Stanardsville VA and hung a U-ie to check things out. One Motobecane Nomade, one Schwinn Racer or Breeze 3-speed, and this little gem, a Ludo ladies' 3-speed. What a little gem! I'd never heard of the brand but it appears to be Belgian, borne out by the Brabant license tag for an area near Brussels. Alloy 700C wheels with the Sturmey rear hub (date '82) and a Maillard front, Weinmann brakes, full genset featuring a "Ludo" script taillight that is probably a Soubitez product, ITM stem and bars. Just a delightful little bike. Check out the rear rack that is actually brazed into position at the seat stays and dropouts, and check out the socks on the frame and on the rack.

The proximity to Charlottesville and UVA suggest it came over for school and stuck around when the owner departed. The lady at the shop was asking $75 each for the bikes and I was not in the market but would have loved to bring this one home. She was willing to deal but I just couldn't do it. Having second thoughts now but it's about 70 miles away. Lucky for me.

As with the little Condor 3-speed from Switzerland that I bought at our co-op, this one is worth buying just for the alloy 700C Sturmey wheelset.




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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
... Alloy 700C wheels with the Sturmey rear hub (date '82) and a Maillard front, Weinmann brakes, full genset featuring a "Ludo" script taillight that is probably a Soubitez product, ITM stem and bars. Just a delightful little bike. Check out the rear rack that is actually brazed into position at the seat stays and dropouts, and check out the socks on the frame and on the rack..
Great example of a Euro bike many of us would build in a second if the parts were in our stash. Lighweight, IGH, integrated racks, nice fit and finish. Sweet.

I wish this pic was full frame and showed this stylish 50-somethin woman spotted in the wild in Turin. Like a business exec off to work until I saw the shoes matching the scarf, the red coat playing off the tailights and graphics on a perfect Columbus mixte with Campy kit and a nice stem. Everyday rides for cool bike people.

2 locks.

I also like the top-o-chainguard flair to all allow a front gear. Different.
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Originally Posted by agmetal View Post
....and '30s

Here's one on the 1948 Sports Light Roadster

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Originally Posted by agmetal View Post
....and '30s
Thank you for the verification. If anyone wants this part, it is yours for the cost of shipping.
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Old 10-07-18, 05:17 PM
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Added my BROOKS and MKS pedals. The drive side fork had a dent and was bent, I ended up having a frame builder friend realign it for me. Still has the dent but placed some hear stickers kindly donated by my daughter on it.
















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Nice job @jamesj Looks like you have it all finished. I like the sprung Brooks saddle and MKS touring pedals. Classy ride.
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Good Work! Jamesj.
Is the rear reflector stock? It's huge.
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Originally Posted by jamesj View Post
Added my BROOKS and MKS pedals. The drive side fork had a dent and was bent, I ended up having a frame builder friend realign it for me. Still has the dent but placed some hear stickers kindly donated by my daughter on it.
















A handsome bike.
I prefer the MKS rubber pedals.
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Good Work! Jamesj.
Is the rear reflector stock? It's huge.
Raleigh started using the "coffin" reflectors on the later Sports models.
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Originally Posted by Dsprok View Post
Good Work! Jamesj.
Is the rear reflector stock? It's huge.
That's your Consumer Products Safety Commission at work. Same folks who brought you wheel reflectors, pedal reflectors and non-snag front derailleur cages, among many other things guaranteed to enhance your cycling pleasure.
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That's your Consumer Products Safety Commission at work. Same folks who brought you wheel reflectors, pedal reflectors and non-snag front derailleur cages, among many other things guaranteed to enhance your cycling pleasure.
You'll soon need a permit to wipe your nose (as well as the appropriate safety training that you'll be charged for).
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Permits? We don't need no stinkin' permits!
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Good Work! Jamesj.
Is the rear reflector stock? It's huge.
Yep it is.
i always see them on the end of the 70ís Raleighís and 80ís ones. Eve had one on my 88 Raleigh Sport.
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After something like 2-1/2 years, I've finally gotten around to installing the 1930s-40s 8V DynoHub and a headlight on my '37 Raleigh Tourist! I can't seem to find a suitable bulb for the taillight anywhere, so I'm only bothering with the headlight for now, and I have a period-correct one on its way to me from the UK. I'll swap the newer light out for the older one once that arrives.

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Resurrecting a 1972 Raleigh Sports

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Thanks, and to Salubrious as well.

Mine is a 72-1 unlined hub. (Also, it's 40 - 32, rear - front and a 9 point heron ring.)

I've owned this bike since it was new and am "resurrecting" it, not restoring it.

This forum and Sheldon's pages have been very helpful. I hope to post more photos and the story of the bike in the not too distant future.

- Ed
I've finished the resurrection (at least for now) and as promised here are some photos and the story of the bike.

Actually, I made a web page with photos and the history:

Resurrecting an English Racer, Fall, 2018

Here is the main text from the web page:

Yes, I know itís not a racer! But I had a bike like this when I was a kid. It followed a single speed coaster brake bike. Compared to that bike it was an English Racer, which is what all the kids in the neighborhood called it in the early and mid 1950s!

Jane surprised me with a new bike. My memory is that it was a Christmas present in 1972 or 1973. Iím pretty sure it had to be then because I associate the bike with where we were living at the time: Magie apartments - junior faculty housing at Princeton University. We lived there from summer, 1971 to summer, 1974. and Iím sure it wasnít the first Christmas we were there. As part of resurrecting the bike, I found the date code on the hub. Itís January, 1972. So, itís Christmas, 1972. Itís conceivable that it was for my birthday in May, but Iím going to stick with Christmas!

Over the years I got it out for various things. I remember taking it to Woods Hole for a conference in the early 1980s, and taking it on the ferry to Marthaís Vineyard, where a group of us rode to a beach house for a party.

Around 1996 I started cycling seriously and used this bike. The first picture below shows the bike as it was in 1997. Itís pretty much as it came from the bike shop at that point. I no longer have the original seat bag. I still have the baskets although Iíve removed them. Canít believe i rode it with the seat so low!

I believe I added a cyclometer and possibly a mirror. I also probably had to add a new indicator chain, and a new cotter (I found a mangled one in a parts box in the basement).

I had thought to ride it in the 1998 RAGBRAI, but finally decided it didnít have wide enough gearing and bought a Bianchi Volpe. This pretty much consigned the bike to storage until I decided in late summer, 2018 to resurrect the bike for the more upright riding position to help with wrist pain, at least for relatively short, flat rides.

By the time I started taking photos of the process, I had already replaced the rims and brake pads, done a good cleaning, and got plenty of oil in the front and rear hubs.

I may still need to service the rear hub. Weíll see.

So far as I know, the bike is original except for: rims, pedals, brake blocks, indicator chain, cotters, seat bag, tubes and tires. I also added a mirror.

The bike is the 21 inch size. The chain ring has 46 teeth and the rear sprocket has 17 (apparently an unusual number!). So the gearing is 53, 70, and 94 gear inches. My Trek has a gear range of 16 to 107 gear inches (quite a bit lower than the stock gearing). The Sports weighs about 36 lbs.


Here are a couple of photos:



My son with his Schwinn 10-speed on the right and my Sports on the left. We were getting ready to ride the MHCC half century on September 9, 1997.




The Sports as it looked on October 11, 2018.

More photos on the web page cited above.

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1936 BSA Roadster, 3Speed (BSA) + Hub Brakes

I found this 1936 BSA Roadster at an auction, It has BSA Three Speed plus Hub Brakes Front & Rear. It is Model 602DX Serial Number WD29996 and cost £6-12/6d when new. I have not found another when searching on-line so far. I also cannot find a spare 3Speed BSA Rear Hub with combined Hub Brake for spares though at present all works OK. I have now stripped it all completely and am rebuilding it after repainting as paintwork was very poor as it had been badly hand painted by a previous owner. Mechanically it was in good shape and all components just needed cleaning, de rusting and repainting. Frame is being powder coated and I have new transfers.
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