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Old 11-04-18, 10:56 PM
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Here's an odd one. No idea of what could be right or wrong on this. Interesting though.

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Originally Posted by gster
This can't be right...
I rebuilt the headset as I received it.
The lower race sits nicely inside the cup w/ 1/8" bearings.
The upper race sits proud of the cup and I can't imagine the BSA engineers would have done this.
So I need a smaller race or I might try swapping the upper cup with a Raleigh cup w/ a built in race.
I was right about the Tomfoolery and now dealing with Shenanigans as well.....
This is a ball as those used in the headset of my 1954 BSA Roadster:


Top of the set ( yes, someone painted the bike pretty badly... ) :



And bottom:



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Originally Posted by oldveloman
This is a ball as those used in the headset of my 1954 BSA Roadster:


Top of the set ( yes, someone painted the bike pretty badly... ) :



And bottom:



Peter
Thanks,
Interesting that on your bike as well as the 1936, that the cups are flared into the steering tube as
opposed to separate chromed inserts. Hense, "Inserted cup head races" in the ad.



On a positive note.
Someone before me spent some $$ to have the front wheel rebuilt.

The rim is rust free and the spokes all appear to be new.
This front wheel may migrate over to my Canadian Superbe which
came without a Dynohub.
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Originally Posted by BigChief

Haha, now that's funny, using a statue of Paul Revere for a tongue in cheek "The British are coming" statement.
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+1 on that. The Superbe should have the dyno. Stainless spokes too...nice. Maybe you could build up wheels with CR-18s with a wide flange hub like the one in the catalog. Also...I found em! I have a pair of stirrup style brake levers that I salvaged from a 50s stepthrough. These were the type used on the less expensive Hercules models not the classy short reach levers shown in the catalog, but they are contemporary to the bike and more Birmingham than the ones you have now. Bugged me that I couldn't find them when I sent the spindle. I can be so disorganized.

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Originally Posted by gster
Thanks,
Interesting that on your bike as well as the 1936, that the cups are flared into the steering tube as
opposed to separate chromed inserts. Hense, "Inserted cup head races" in the ad.

On a positive note.
Someone before me spent some $$ to have the front wheel rebuilt.
The rim is rust free and the spokes all appear to be new.
This front wheel may migrate over to my Canadian Superbe which
came without a Dynohub.
The Tourer didn' t get a lot of alterations in its long production line...

Your frame is definitely a pre- Raleigh BSA (Streamline ?) frame, but that model was also produced after the Raleigh takeover, so maybe yours has a later - Raleigh period - fork replacement ?

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1962 Royal 3 Speed

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have loved reading through this thread over the last couple of weeks! I recently found what I believe to be a 1962 Royal 3 Speed, or should I say it found me. :-) I did a week's worth of research before buying it for $25 at a thrift store and could find little info, especially photos of a bike like this. I could only find one photo of the head badge on UK Ebay. I had a long, descriptive post to share here with photos describing why I believe it's from 1962 and where it came from, but since I'm new I can't post them quite yet? When I tried, I got an error saying I can't post URLs since I'm new. Something about needing to have ten posts first? Is this true? Or did I do something wrong? Thanks in advance. :-)
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I can't post them quite yet? When I tried, I got an error saying I can't post URLs since I'm new. Something about needing to have ten posts first? Is this true? Or did I do something wrong? T
That's true, and I believe the number of posts required is also correct. Most forums do this to prevent fly by spammers from posting links or images.
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Originally Posted by Stenavpix
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have loved reading through this thread over the last couple of weeks! I recently found what I believe to be a 1962 Royal 3 Speed, or should I say it found me. :-) I did a week's worth of research before buying it for $25 at a thrift store and could find little info, especially photos of a bike like this. I could only find one photo of the head badge on UK Ebay. I had a long, descriptive post to share here with photos describing why I believe it's from 1962 and where it came from, but since I'm new I can't post them quite yet? When I tried, I got an error saying I can't post URLs since I'm new. Something about needing to have ten posts first? Is this true? Or did I do something wrong? Thanks in advance. :-)
Try just doing 9 quick posts or comments and see if that works.
Lots of knowledgeable members here to help with questions
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Originally Posted by Stenavpix
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have loved reading through this thread over the last couple of weeks! I recently found what I believe to be a 1962 Royal 3 Speed, or should I say it found me. :-) I did a week's worth of research before buying it for $25 at a thrift store and could find little info, especially photos of a bike like this. I could only find one photo of the head badge on UK Ebay. I had a long, descriptive post to share here with photos describing why I believe it's from 1962 and where it came from, but since I'm new I can't post them quite yet? When I tried, I got an error saying I can't post URLs since I'm new. Something about needing to have ten posts first? Is this true? Or did I do something wrong? Thanks in advance. :-)
Is yours a:
-Royal?
-Royal Scott?
-Royal Prince?
-Royal Star?
-Royal Crown?
-Royal York?
-Royal Enfield?
Apparently, it was a very popular name...
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Is it a Royale with Cheese?

I had a Royal...I think it was a Raleigh, can't remember
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Originally Posted by gster
Try just doing 9 quick posts or comments and see if that works.
Lots of knowledgeable members here to help with questions
Thanks. I was trying to avoid that! But here we go. lol
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Originally Posted by clubman
Is it a Royale with Cheese?

I had a Royal...I think it was a Raleigh, can't remember
I wish it had cheese! I love cheese Decals just saw "Royal". I've seen references to the others, but not just "Royal" And yes I believe it to be a Raleigh of some sort in that it was made right after Raleigh took over many smaller companies.
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Originally Posted by gster
Is yours a:
-Royal?
-Royal Scott?
-Royal Prince?
-Royal Star?
-Royal Crown?
-Royal York?
-Royal Enfield?
Apparently, it was a very popular name...
Sheldon Brown references a "Royal Scott" as a possibility for this one, but as I said in the previous post, everything on the bike just says "Royal"
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Originally Posted by Ballenxj
That's true, and I believe the number of posts required is also correct. Most forums do this to prevent fly by spammers from posting links or images.
Totally understandable! I've been a member of various forums like this over the years and spammers stink!
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You might run into a 5 post daily limit. Tomorrow's another day.
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These brakes are available if you need them @gster. Let me know.
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Originally Posted by browngw

These brakes are available if you need them @gster. Let me know.
These look to be in better shape than mine. Personally, I would use these on the BSA. They have a vintage look to them and they are associated with the Birmingham bikes. Was BSA part of the TI buyout in the early 50s? I think it might have been. By the 50s they seemed to share a lot of parts between the different brands. It's so difficult to know much about pre Raleigh BSAs. They're so rare here in the US. I only have the catalogs to go by.
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These brakes are available if you need them @gster. Let me know.
Thank you for the offer but I have a nice pair of levers (brand unknown) that suit the project.

I haven't done much the last few days as, once again, work has interfered with fun...
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Originally Posted by BigChief
These look to be in better shape than mine. Personally, I would use these on the BSA. They have a vintage look to them and they are associated with the Birmingham bikes. Was BSA part of the TI buyout in the early 50s? I think it might have been. By the 50s they seemed to share a lot of parts between the different brands. It's so difficult to know much about pre Raleigh BSAs. They're so rare here in the US. I only have the catalogs to go by.
Research tells me that Raleigh bought out BSA in 1957.
I would say that BSA bicycles are equally rare here in Canada.
This might be the second one I've seen since I became interested in
British 3 Speeds.
The leather saddle is Pure City
They're currently on sale for a very reasonable $49.00 (US)


https://www.purecycles.com/collectio...leather-saddle

Also a Swallow style, same price
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Originally Posted by BigChief
+1 on that. The Superbe should have the dyno. Stainless spokes too...nice. Maybe you could build up wheels with CR-18s with a wide flange hub like the one in the catalog. Also...I found em! I have a pair of stirrup style brake levers that I salvaged from a 50s stepthrough. These were the type used on the less expensive Hercules models not the classy short reach levers shown in the catalog, but they are contemporary to the bike and more Birmingham than the ones you have now. Bugged me that I couldn't find them when I sent the spindle. I can be so disorganized.

Personally, I don't like this style with the double bolt, as I find it interferes with the trigger placement,
I like the ones with a clip and single bolt.

No sign of the spindle, yet. Canada is in the middle of a partial strike by the postal workers...
It's always something...
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Originally Posted by Stenavpix
I wish it had cheese! I love cheese Decals just saw "Royal". I've seen references to the others, but not just "Royal" And yes I believe it to be a Raleigh of some sort in that it was made right after Raleigh took over many smaller companies.
Depending where you live, it may be a limited run bike made for a local hardware chain or automotive supply.
Here in Toronto I've seen Raleighs branded as "Canadiana" as well as "Rodeo" for Beaver Lumber Stores.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
+1 on that. The Superbe should have the dyno. Stainless spokes too...nice. Maybe you could build up wheels with CR-18s with a wide flange hub like the one in the catalog. Also...I found em! I have a pair of stirrup style brake levers that I salvaged from a 50s stepthrough. These were the type used on the less expensive Hercules models not the classy short reach levers shown in the catalog, but they are contemporary to the bike and more Birmingham than the ones you have now. Bugged me that I couldn't find them when I sent the spindle. I can be so disorganized.

I stand corrected, BC.
The spindle did arrive last night.
Thank you VERY much!
I appreciate the time and effort to ship and will
respond in kind.
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"Rodeo" for Beaver Lumber Stores.
My fave shop apron is from Beaver Lumber, I grew up near the one in old Weston, just down from the old CCM plant. Which is now condos, of course.
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