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Old 02-08-19, 10:19 AM
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Okay, not a 3-speed and not an IGH, but this 23" 5-speed Sprite on Boston's CL seems remarkably well preserved:



https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...809349183.html
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Even though I had my AG hub completely in pieces, I cannot quite visualize how the clutch changes the way the hub engages. In high gear, it was clear that the planet carrier was being engaged. In second, the clutch lifts off the planet carrier, but what is engaged at that point, and when it is pulled further out, what is the clutch doing?
Here's a pretty good video on that subject.

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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln View Post
If I could wave a magic wand at my AW hubs I would leave the 1st to 2nd jump as is but bring the 2nd to 3rd jump down somewhat. (I would have a very powerful magic wand.) Does the FW fill in that wide gap between the AW's positions 2 and 3?
This is where a rear cog swap helps..
There're only 3 speeds to play with....

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Originally Posted by BigChief View Post
Here's a pretty good video on that subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6v5K-2zWMI
Very interesting. So second gear is 1 to 1, and third is overdriven? This explains why some folk install a larger chain sprocket.
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Nice c.1950 23" Sports in Vermont. Can't see much in these photos. Missing original chainguard and pedals. Rims and saddle look good though. Good looking bike.

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Well, thanks to you enablers, I am tearing into the 1964 Huffeigh Sportsman now. Got the cotters out with a modified chain breaker, and even got the crank out. Rust and crud inside. Good call I think on disassembly. I want to start with some grease, and in later years oil down the seat tube. After seeing the axle, it would seem that for oil to get to the bearings, one would be advised to put the bike on its side and work pedals, and then the other side. I think I may get the park tool HCW-11 so as not to have to use a punch and hammer again.

Yes, one pedal was quite stiff so that is apart now. Maybe take the steering head bearings out tomorrow. Can the rear hub bearings be serviced without taking the 3-speed mechanism apart? A bit challenging working on a 50+ year old bike, but a good winter project.
go on YouTube and search for bikeman4you schwinn racer restoration; in one of videos he repacks SA Aw hub bearings without tearing apart 3 speed transmission.
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Okay, not a 3-speed and not an IGH, but this 23" 5-speed Sprite on Boston's CL seems remarkably well preserved:



https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...809349183.html
I have the exact same in 21" frame ; that looks in great shape and very reasonable price; would get if I was near and didn't already have one. If you have hills that SA AW can't handle but like sports 'This is your bike.
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As reliable and simple these bikes might be, there are a lot of details that need to be right for them to work properly.
In particular, the shifting system.
I have an unmolested Suberebe in the garage that I use as my "control" for figuring out cable lengths and routing..
A nice graceful sweep of the cable from the trigger to the stop certainly helps.

The original cables came in different lengths depending on their application. I often see a bike with a shorter cable installed that clearly is too tight.
Both for function as well as aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by sd5782 View Post
Can the rear hub bearings be serviced without taking the 3-speed mechanism apart? A bit challenging working on a 50+ year old bike, but a good winter project.
Taking the old hub apart, getting it completely clean like new, and then reassembling is one of the most satisfying parts of owning one of these!
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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln View Post
Taking the old hub apart, getting it completely clean like new, and then reassembling is one of the most satisfying parts of owning one of these!
At first, I was hesitant to take one apart but finally took the plunge. The posted rebuild video really helps. Community bike shops will usually have a hub for a small fee ($5.00) that you can practice on, although they are easier to get apart when laced to a rim.
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Okay, not a 3-speed and not an IGH, but this 23" 5-speed Sprite on Boston's CL seems remarkably well preserved:



https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...809349183.html
That is a nice survivor! It could be changed between a 3 or 5 speed with another rear wheel and gear changer if you were so inclined. Terrific it still has the bag and saddle. Wonderful chaingaurd too.
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Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln View Post
Taking the old hub apart, getting it completely clean like new, and then reassembling is one of the most satisfying parts of owning one of these!
Eventually I will service the hub. A lot to do so far with this 64 to really bring it into half way decent riding condition.
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
Okay, not a 3-speed and not an IGH, but this 23" 5-speed Sprite on Boston's CL seems remarkably well preserved:



https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/bi...809349183.html
Hey! That's a some crazy brake cable on that bike!
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Nice older 23" Sports, but it looks like that Brooks is about to give out.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...815697431.html

1960's Raleigh Sport 3speed bike english - $75 (Chesterfield, VA)







bicycle type: cruiser
frame size: 26''
wheel size: 26 in Really cool vintage 60's 3 speed English cruiser in great condition! 26inch classic bike that's a good size for someone 5ft 5 to 6ft tall. Needs a new inner-tube for the front wheel(only a few bucks). Call show contact info
to come by. 5502 Sherman Terrace.
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Wish I was nearby - its a nice looking bike but the wheels (rims) and pedals alone would be worth it to me. And yeah - that tear on the nose looks bad - I had one I bought used like that thinking it would last - first ride I ended up sitting on the saddle frame within minutes. Good thing we have @rhm around to help us out of situations like that!
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I have facilitated in the past and am probably doomed to do so again.
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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
Nice older 23" Sports, but it looks like that Brooks is about to give out.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...815697431.html

1960's Raleigh Sport 3speed bike english - $75 (Chesterfield, VA)

bicycle type: cruiser
frame size: 26''
wheel size: 26 in Really cool vintage 60's 3 speed English cruiser in great condition! 26inch classic bike that's a good size for someone 5ft 5 to 6ft tall. Needs a new inner-tube for the front wheel(only a few bucks). Call show contact info
to come by. 5502 Sherman Terrace.
Here in NYC: $200 - $250.
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I have facilitated in the past and am probably doomed to do so again.
Not sure if you were offering but I am in Canada so thanks but no thanks. That $75 would quickly become several hundred!

but awfully kind of you to jump in like that!
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Anybody here have good results putting a square taper spindle into the OEM Raleigh/Brit 26 mm BB cups of a 1952 Rudge Aero Special? Are there combinations that do not work? I'm daydreaming of a vintage TA spindle with a Stronglight 49D or a vintage TA Cyclotourist crankset. I'd either use 48 tooth single chainring or a some kind of granny crankset, 48/32 or 48/28, perhaps. I would need to add a front derailleur, and some sort of chain tensioner in the rear.

Another opportunity might be an Avocet spindle with an Avocet crankarm set with a single or double (big with granny).

Known BB incompatibilities: 71 mm width versus 68 mm standard; 26 threads per inch original theading versus 24 threads per inch "modern" threading.

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get clean bearings into the BB,
eliminate the future hassle of non-destructive cotter extraction,
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Anybody here have good results putting a square taper spindle into the OEM Raleigh/Brit 26 mm BB cups of a 1952 Rudge Aero Special? Are there combinations that do not work? I'm daydreaming of a vintage TA spindle with a Stronglight 49D or a vintage TA Cyclotourist crankset. I'd either use 48 tooth single chainring or a some kind of granny crankset, 48/32 or 48/28, perhaps. I would need to add a front derailleur, and some sort of chain tensioner in the rear.

Another opportunity might be an Avocet spindle with an Avocet crankarm set with a single or double (big with granny).

Known BB incompatibilities: 71 mm width versus 68 mm standard; 26 threads per inch original theading versus 24 threads per inch "modern" threading.

Goals:
get clean bearings into the BB,
eliminate the future hassle of non-destructive cotter extraction,
save some weight,
target 170mm crank arm,
option to provide for a granny gear with AW or FG hub.
I'm sure you'll find the spindle. For my Peugeot mixte AW + cotterless conversion, I gave up and bought a cartridge BB from Velo Orange. It arrived last night and although 'spensive it's a nice piece. Light, also seems great quality, plus the man at VO threw in a couple allen-key fixing bolts at no extra charge.

The BB is going to decide the destiny of the (no longer) derelict ladies' Sports that followed me home a few days ago. It will rotate maybe an eighth of a turn or less. So the first job is get off at least the left side crank and find out what's going on in there.
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I'm sure you'll find the spindle. For my Peugeot mixte AW + cotterless conversion, I gave up and bought a cartridge BB from Velo Orange. It arrived last night and although 'spensive it's a nice piece. Light, also seems great quality, plus the man at VO threw in a couple allen-key fixing bolts at no extra charge.

The BB is going to decide the destiny of the (no longer) derelict ladies' Sports that followed me home a few days ago. It will rotate maybe an eighth of a turn or less. So the first job is get off at least the left side crank and find out what's going on in there.
That's about how much mine turns. I'm trying first to get all the old parts out and into a degrease bath, then see how badly worn they are.

Do you know the left and right stub lengths of the VO BB?
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That's about how much mine turns. I'm trying first to get all the old parts out and into a degrease bath, then see how badly worn they are.

Do you know the left and right stub lengths of the VO BB?
18 mm each side. That's with the 110 mm spindle.
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A fellow bike guy called this morning to see if I was still interested in a bike he has had for 22years or so. It is a Belgium Royal Nord President believed to be circa 1967. I looked at a couple of years ago and took a couple of poor phone shots. At that time he didn't want to part with it, but now has changed his mind. We will have to get to a lower price but I think I want the bike. The green/marble paintjob and the chainguard are fascinating . Now to the English part. Brampton Speedy Switch and hub? Are these similar to the Sturmey Archer?
That' s a very nice find and in pretty original and undamaged shape.
Royal Nord ( 1927-1967 ) was a renowned Belgian bicycle, moped and motorcycle producer.

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18 mm each side. That's with the 110 mm spindle.
That is quite narrow! I like it! What chainset are you going to use on it? I could see it working very well on a single-ring.
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I'm sure you'll find the spindle. For my Peugeot mixte AW + cotterless conversion, I gave up and bought a cartridge BB from Velo Orange. It arrived last night and although 'spensive it's a nice piece. Light, also seems great quality, plus the man at VO threw in a couple allen-key fixing bolts at no extra charge.

The BB is going to decide the destiny of the (no longer) derelict ladies' Sports that followed me home a few days ago. It will rotate maybe an eighth of a turn or less. So the first job is get off at least the left side crank and find out what's going on in there.
But I see you are working on a Peugeot, not an English bike. I don't think they have any threading issues, other than being French-threaded, and there are pairs of French threaded BB cups on Ebay with some regularity. You seemed to indicate spindles are similarly not a problem. Why didn't you go with French-threaded cup/cone? Why did you need to need to "give up and buy the cartridge BB?" Or is the Peug all squared away without the threadless V-O, and the 110-mm part you just got will decide the destiny of you ladies Raleigh?

I have a Bikesmith Design tool for cotter extraction. It worked instantly on my left cotter, but it bent my right one, and it's been several weeks of drilling and filing to get it out. The steel is "soft" but still pretty strong. I'm not very skilled with a hammer.
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